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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 18 @ 1:30 PM ET
Does anyone think Hexy could send Ghost back down regardless of how he plays so he doesn't burn a year off the ELC?

If they don't starting winning it might make some sense. Then again you should really do whatever is best for his development.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 18 @ 1:32 PM ET
When another shot is attempted.
- MJL


So if I kick the puck at an opposing defender, and he passes it to a teammate who accidentally puts it into his net, it's deemed no goal because it was "kicked in?"
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 18 @ 1:33 PM ET
Does anyone think Hexy could send Ghost back down regardless of how he plays so he doesn't burn a year off the ELC?

If they don't starting winning it might make some sense. Then again you should really do whatever is best for his development.

- hereticpride



AHL is pro hockey and counts as a year on his EL deal. Only players age 18 and 19 can have a contract year slide.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 18 @ 1:35 PM ET
So if I kick the puck at an opposing defender, and he passes it to a teammate who accidentally puts it into his net, it's deemed no goal because it was "kicked in?"
- jmatchett383



I believe that is considered the same as another shot. It's a separate play.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 18 @ 1:36 PM ET
So if I kick the puck at an opposing defender, and he passes it to a teammate who accidentally puts it into his net, it's deemed no goal because it was "kicked in?"
- jmatchett383


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 18 @ 1:37 PM ET
I believe that is considered the same as another shot. It's a separate play.
- MJL


But that's my question: what has to transpire, aside from a teammate taking another shot, to end the "kick" sequence? Goalie makes a clean save? Clear possession change (what is "clear?")? Clearly, a puck directing/ricocheting off of an opponent isn't enough.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 18 @ 1:38 PM ET
AHL is pro hockey and counts as a year on his EL deal. Only players age 18 and 19 can have a contract year slide.
- MJL


Yep. Kind of crazy to think that he'll already need to be extended after next season.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Nov 18 @ 1:39 PM ET
Medvedev: I haven't played because I re-injured my head

Hexy an hour later: Medvedev is fine. He doesn't understand English.

- PhillySportsGuy



is this improv or based on fact
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 18 @ 1:40 PM ET
But that's my question: what has to transpire, aside from a teammate taking another shot, to end the "kick" sequence? Goalie makes a clean save? Clear possession change (what is "clear?")? Clearly, a puck directing/ricocheting off of an opponent isn't enough.
- jmatchett383


Obviously there are umpteen scenarios that we can make up. In the scenario you described, possession of the puck, clearly changed hands. If you kick the puck and it deflects off of the goalie or another player, into the net, that's a continuation of the same play.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 18 @ 1:45 PM ET
Does anyone think Hexy could send Ghost back down regardless of how he plays so he doesn't burn a year off the ELC?

If they don't starting winning it might make some sense. Then again you should really do whatever is best for his development.

- hereticpride


Ghost is in the AHL...not Juniors...slide rule does not apply
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 18 @ 1:47 PM ET
Obviously there are umpteen scenarios that we can make up. In the scenario you described, possession of the puck, clearly changed hands. If you kick the puck and it deflects off of the goalie or another player, into the net, that's a continuation of the same play.
- MJL


this
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 18 @ 1:53 PM ET
dogs who are never nude will need baths at some point... think about it
- JoeRussomanno

but never nudes bathe with their jean shorts on. I think we have a bona fide exception here.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Nov 18 @ 1:56 PM ET
but never nudes bathe with their jean shorts on. I think we have a bona fide exception here.
- BulliesPhan87

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 18 @ 1:57 PM ET

- TobyFlenderson

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 18 @ 2:00 PM ET
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 18 @ 2:01 PM ET
Ghost is in the AHL...not Juniors...slide rule does not apply
- YuenglingJagr


It's not just a Junior thing. Hagg's contract slid last season despite playing the AHL.

https://www.hockeyscap.com/faq#els

What is an Entry Level Slide?
If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19.

Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 18 @ 2:15 PM ET
Ghost is in the AHL...not Juniors...slide rule does not apply
- YuenglingJagr



It's about age. Players in the AHL can have a contract year slide. Robert Haag had a year slide while playing in the AHL, because he was 19 and where he played junior hockey.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
It's about age. Players in the AHL can have a contract year slide. Robert Haag had a year slide while playing in the AHL, because he was 19 and where he played junior hockey.
- MJL


Question: If a player who is 18 plays >10 NHL games, can his contract slide the following year (assuming he plays <10 NHL games)? I can't think of a scenario where this would happen (Grigorenko was close) but it should be able to, correct?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 18 @ 2:39 PM ET
Question: If a player who is 18 plays >10 NHL games, can his contract slide the following year (assuming he plays <10 NHL games)? I can't think of a scenario where this would happen (Grigorenko was close) but it should be able to, correct?
- jmatchett383

Off the top of my head, I don't think they can slide. the second year is contingent on if they slid in the first year. That's just iirc, so take it for what it's worth.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 18 @ 3:03 PM ET
If Gostisbehere keeps that up, there's no way he's going back to LHV when Streit comes back or not.
- johndewar

I think the best thing might be to send him down after Streit is back then after the TDL bring him up for the rest of the season. Can he be brought up later?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 18 @ 3:04 PM ET
I think the best thing might be to send him down after Streit is back then after the TDL bring him up for the rest of the season. Can he be brought up later?
- 2Real


He can be brought up and sent down every day if the cap allows.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 18 @ 3:08 PM ET
Question: If a player who is 18 plays >10 NHL games, can his contract slide the following year (assuming he plays <10 NHL games)? I can't think of a scenario where this would happen (Grigorenko was close) but it should be able to, correct?
- jmatchett383



Good question, hmm. I think so, but not positive.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 18 @ 3:15 PM ET
I think the best thing might be to send him down after Streit is back then after the TDL bring him up for the rest of the season. Can he be brought up later?
- 2Real


I think Streit's surgery was yesterday, so the six week timetable would have him back early in January. Who knows what other injuries and roster moves will happen by then? I don't see Ghost going down if he's playing major minutes and running the top PP unit.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 18 @ 3:58 PM ET
I think Streit's surgery was yesterday, so the six week timetable would have him back early in January. Who knows what other injuries and roster moves will happen by then? I don't see Ghost going down if he's playing major minutes and running the top PP unit.
- Feanor


I think Ghosts strong play on the PP makes it easier to move Streit. Like Bill said, I am sure the team values his vet presence, but the PPP are a huge part of Streit's value to another team
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 18 @ 3:59 PM ET
It's about age. Players in the AHL can have a contract year slide. Robert Haag had a year slide while playing in the AHL, because he was 19 and where he played junior hockey.
- MJL


Right my bad. Its the CHL that doesnt allow 18-19 year olds to play in AHL. The more you know
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