I think it's more about technology exposing missed calls and the leagues trying to get it right...

I don't like replay, never have...unfortunately this is the sports-world we live in
- Michael Pachla

Good blog Michael. I'm with you on the replay. I do find it funny though, I wonder how many people complaining about it now would be completely fine if their team missed the playoffs because of a bad call at the end of the season.

Either you accept refs are human and make mistakes and live with it, or you agree with the new replays. Can't have it both ways when it suits your teams needs.

This wasn't directed at you or anyone here. Just a comment in general, seems the people who complain about the refs the most are the same to complain about replays when the call goes against their team.

wasn't the impetus a playoff goal that was scored while replays showed the scoring team had a player clearly offside?
- Michael Pachla

Yea I believe it was Tampa V MTL. And the thing was Montreal recovered the puck and failed to get it out of the zone. They still lost that series in 5 games.

http://www.diebytheblade....lay-bad-luck-this-is-dumb

Here's a good look at what we're now calling offside.

Mike, are you really saying 1)that this is how you want the game called and 2) that you think that all offside calls are currently being made to this level of scrutiny?

That first offside in the Ottawa game has to be literally an INCH offside.....with the dam ref staring at the play, 3' away, and with an unobstructed view. If he does not make the offside call, i don't see how this is overruled, without calling into question every single other offside call that is made and not reviewed.

This is the problem fans have.

wasn't the impetus a playoff goal that was scored while replays showed the scoring team had a player clearly offside?
- Michael Pachla

If that's the case why wasn't the challenge implemented for a foot in the crease?

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2015/11/18/9754100/buffalo-sabres-coaches-challenge-replay-bad-luck-this-is-dumb

Here's a good look at what we're now calling offside.

Mike, are you really saying 1)that this is how you want the game called and 2) that you think that all offside calls are currently being made to this level of scrutiny?

That first offside in the Ottawa game has to be literally an INCH offside.....with the dam ref staring at the play, 3' away, and with an unobstructed view. If he does not make the offside call, i don't see how this is overruled, without calling into question every single other offside call that is made and not reviewed.

This is the problem fans have.
- nikel

all i'm sayin is that the sabres need to be more cognitive of where they are on the ice...and offside is an offside and it will go to replay if there are any questions when a goal is scored...they found that out three times already

ennis, twice

Good blog Michael. I'm with you on the replay. I do find it funny though, I wonder how many people complaining about it now would be completely fine if their team missed the playoffs because of a bad call at the end of the season.

Either you accept refs are human and make mistakes and live with it, or you agree with the new replays. Can't have it both ways when it suits your teams needs.

This wasn't directed at you or anyone here. Just a comment in general, seems the people who complain about the refs the most are the same to complain about replays when the call goes against their team.
- mdw7413

I like your take

If that's the case why wasn't the challenge implemented for a foot in the crease?
- Pope of Pucks

that immediately went to Toronto for review

Good blog Michael. I'm with you on the replay. I do find it funny though, I wonder how many people complaining about it now would be completely fine if their team missed the playoffs because of a bad call at the end of the season.

Either you accept refs are human and make mistakes and live with it, or you agree with the new replays. Can't have it both ways when it suits your teams needs.

This wasn't directed at you or anyone here. Just a comment in general, seems the people who complain about the refs the most are the same to complain about replays when the call goes against their team.
- mdw7413

I agree goalie interference should be reviewed. Not offsides, its too much of a hit or miss thing.

If you have a 2 on 1 and the linesman calls it offside, but its not. Can you challenge and re-set the play so your team can have a 2 on 1?

all i'm sayin is that the sabres need to be more cognitive of where they are on the ice...and offside is an offside and it will go to replay if there are any questions when a goal is scored...they found that out three times already

ennis, twice
- Michael Pachla

OK, but what do you do for the times a play is called offsides that is not. Say for instance like i posted above on a 2 on 1.

OK, but what do you do for the times a play is called offsides that is not. Say for instance like i posted above on a 2 on 1.
- ImThatGuy

Or a turnover occurs and the other team scores.... I want to challenge that we were offside so that there goal off of our turnover does not count.

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2015/11/18/9754100/buffalo-sabres-coaches-challenge-replay-bad-luck-this-is-dumb

Here's a good look at what we're now calling offside.

Mike, are you really saying 1)that this is how you want the game called and 2) that you think that all offside calls are currently being made to this level of scrutiny?

That first offside in the Ottawa game has to be literally an INCH offside.....with the dam ref staring at the play, 3' away, and with an unobstructed view. If he does not make the offside call, i don't see how this is overruled, without calling into question every single other offside call that is made and not reviewed.

This is the problem fans have.
- nikel

How is this different than football, when it comes to challenging the spot of where the ball was ruled down? There are times when the spot is blatantly wrong and it doesn't matter to either team (i.e. a first down isn't gained).

I don't see the complaining, it works both ways and some will go the other way


offside is offside


don't go offside, the goal counts


my bigger beef, is they should be allowed to challenge all goals/non goals, which I assume will be added this off-season

I still can't figure out why every other rule change (hybrid icing, 3 on 3 OT, etc) gets implemented in the AHL first but something as major as this one, doesn't. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
- HonkFortheGoose

lack of cameras in ahl?

just a guess

I don't see the complaining, it works both ways and some will go the other way


offside is offside


don't go offside, the goal counts


my bigger beef, is they should be allowed to challenge all goals/non goals, which I assume will be added this off-season
- homiedclown

Just review scoring plays and take away challenges.

It hold the game up what 10 seconds on the average goal to confirm, and if they need an actual review, then take a look.

OK, but what do you do for the times a play is called offsides that is not. Say for instance like i posted above on a 2 on 1.
- ImThatGuy

Just review scoring plays and take away challenges.

It hold the game up what 10 seconds on the average goal to confirm, and if they need an actual review, then take a look.
- sbroads24

but that would not take into account the goals, that did not count during the play

OK, but what do you do for the times a play is called offsides that is not. Say for instance like i posted above on a 2 on 1.
- ImThatGuy

nothing as no goal was scored...

right?

I don't see the complaining, it works both ways and some will go the other way


offside is offside


don't go offside, the goal counts


my bigger beef, is they should be allowed to challenge all goals/non goals, which I assume will be added this off-season
- homiedclown

that will make it a slow as the nfl, won't it?

that will make it a slow as the nfl, won't it?
- Michael Pachla

there is a limited number of challenges in nfl


so many commercials in the nfl game, 2 more does not really slow it down any more

How is this different than football, when it comes to challenging the spot of where the ball was ruled down? There are times when the spot is blatantly wrong and it doesn't matter to either team (i.e. a first down isn't gained).
- buffalofan19

Comparing football and hockey leads to too many inconsistencies, in my opinion.

For one, points are accrue in football much easier than in hockey, meaning that an error made by an NFL ref is much less likely to affect the outcome of the game.

And two, we're talking about overturning a ruling that directly lead to a score that tied a game, Vs. the placement of a ball that might have lead to a first down.....and not directly to a score (and a game tying scoring play).

Seems you're trying to compare apples to oranges.............as they say!

there is a limited number of challenges in nfl


so many commercials in the nfl game, 2 more does not really slow it down any more
- homiedclown

true dat

Comparing football and hockey leads to too many inconsistencies, in my opinion.

For one, points are accrue in football much easier than in hockey, meaning that an error made by an NFL ref is much less likely to affect the outcome of the game.

And two, we're talking about overturning a ruling that directly lead to a score that tied a game, Vs. the placement of a ball that might have lead to a first down.....and not directly to a score (and a game tying scoring play).

Seems you're trying to compare apples to oranges.............as they say!
- nikel

what if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the team that negated the goal?

I agree goalie interference should be reviewed. Not offsides, its too much of a hit or miss thing.

If you have a 2 on 1 and the linesman calls it offside, but its not. Can you challenge and re-set the play so your team can have a 2 on 1?
- ImThatGuy

Well this is why I agree with Michael. I don't like replays. Because where is the logical end?

The problem now with so many cameras and every inch of ice being videotaped, in any hockey game someone in the media can go back and find a mistake and make a story about it. That in turn gets fans irate, the NHL gets embarrassed, etc.. especially if that mistake changes the outcome of an important game. Hence the call for replays.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the angles and replays but this is the unfortunate result. Fans want refs to be infallible, and when it doesn't work out that way, they want technology to step in.

Comparing football and hockey leads to too many inconsistencies, in my opinion.

For one, points are accrue in football much easier than in hockey, meaning that an error made by an NFL ref is much less likely to affect the outcome of the game.

And two, we're talking about overturning a ruling that directly lead to a score that tied a game, Vs. the placement of a ball that might have lead to a first down.....and not directly to a score (and a game tying scoring play).

Seems you're trying to compare apples to oranges.............as they say!
- nikel

No, I'm not comparing apples to oranges, as the spot of the ball also can have consequences on scoring plays as well. If a referee rules a player down before the goal line, the team still has to challenge if it feels the player was in the end zone. So, whether you are talking about a first down or a touchdown, the same principal applies.

And if you think referee error in the NFL is less likely to impact a game than a referee error in the NHL, then you haven't been watching the NFL very much over the past decade.

Well this is why I agree with Michael. I don't like replays. Because where is the logical end?

The problem now with so many cameras and every inch of ice being videotaped, in any hockey game someone in the media can go back and find a mistake and make a story about it. That in turn gets fans irate, the NHL gets embarrassed, etc.. especially if that mistake changes the outcome of an important game. Hence the call for replays.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the angles and replays but this is the unfortunate result. Fans want refs to be infallible, and when it doesn't work out that way, they want technology to step in.
- mdw7413

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