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KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Nov 19 @ 3:20 PM ET
It does not show what games were won in OT or regulation
- YuenglingJagr

i fixed it

Flyers 120
BJs 119
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:22 PM ET
Just go back to the old way.

Regulation: 2 pts for a win, 0 pt for a loss
OT: 5 mins 3v3; 2 pts for a win, 1 pt for a loss
Tie after OT? Both teams get 1 pt

NEXT
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 19 @ 3:22 PM ET
That's fine and all well and good, but it's a two way street. They didn't lose either. The part that is the actual game, ended in a tie. Then we move on to the 3 on 3 circus and the skills competition. If that doesn't work, it's rock, paper, scissors.
- MJL


A winner is always declared, i.e., the Kings beat the Flyers.

There are only two outcomes. Win or loss.

People ask "did your team win?"
Nobody asks "did your team not lose?"
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:23 PM ET
A winner is always declared, i.e., the Kings beat the Flyers.

There are only two outcomes. Win or loss.

People ask "did your team win?"
Nobody asks "did your team not lose?"

- Scoob

"Did your team lose?" "Yeah but it was in OT so we got a point because we didn't lose in the allotted amount of time the other team had to beat us."
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 19 @ 3:23 PM ET
I certainly can see the correlation; it's simple math.

What I'm saying is that the points percentage has nothing at all to do with determining playoff position.

off to check some things......

Frank! - when it comes to tie-breakers there are conditions where points percentage does come into play, so far down the list I'm wrong. Frank

If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:

1. The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).
2. The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.
3. The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.
4. The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season.

NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against.


Edit: I still hate points percentage

- Scoob


That is exactly what it is. Points percentage lets us know which team is "better" (meaning higher in the standings) when they haven't played an equal amount of games. At the end of the season points is the same as points percentage because everyone has played the same number of games. f

Feanor used points percentage to show that the Flyers were a better team with Couturier than without. Either way it distracted me from a good amount of work which I appreciate
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:23 PM ET
Just go back to the old way.

Regulation: 2 pts for a win, 0 pt for a loss
OT: 5 mins 3v3; 2 pts for a win, 1 pt for a loss
Tie after OT? Both teams get 1 pt

NEXT

- Giroux_Is_God

why give losers a point
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:24 PM ET
why give losers a point
- 2Real

Because they played to a regulation tie. It's not that hard. You don't lose in 60 minutes? You get a point, because it took overtime to beat you.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:24 PM ET
That is exactly what it is. Points percentage lets us know which team is "better" (meaning higher in the standings) when they haven't played an equal amount of games. At the end of the season points is the same as points percentage because everyone has played the same number of games. f

Feanor used points percentage to show that the Flyers were a better team with Couturier than without. Either way it distracted me from a good amount of work which I appreciate

- YuenglingJagr

Couturier isn't scoring goals so it not like he contributes that much to winning.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 19 @ 3:25 PM ET
Lol... shes 11 months old. It was for everyone else's benefit.
- jak521


I'll admit...I would've loved seeing that.

But man, do I hate mouth-breathing glass-bangers.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:25 PM ET
Because they played to a regulation tie. It's not that hard. You don't lose in 60 minutes? You get a point, because it took overtime to beat you.
- Giroux_Is_God

why play OT then? it doesn't fix the 3 point game issue and a loser getting a boost
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 19 @ 3:26 PM ET
That is exactly what it is. Points percentage lets us know which team is "better" (meaning higher in the standings) when they haven't played an equal amount of games. At the end of the season points is the same as points percentage because everyone has played the same number of games. f

Feanor used points percentage to show that the Flyers were a better team with Couturier than without. Either way it distracted me from a good amount of work which I appreciate

- YuenglingJagr


Same
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 19 @ 3:27 PM ET
why play OT then? it doesn't fix the 3 point game issue and a loser getting a boost
- 2Real

To see if someone wins and gets the extra point? I don't understand how people think this is a bad system.

If you play to a regulation tie, you deserve a point. You played the game and no one wins. Both get a point. Now, play another game (the 3v3 OT) to see who wins the 2nd point.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 19 @ 3:29 PM ET
I know I'm in the minority, but I think the entire game should just be one shootout. I love love love shootouts
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 19 @ 3:32 PM ET
Just go back to the old way.

Regulation: 2 pts for a win, 0 pt for a loss
OT: 5 mins 3v3; 2 pts for a win, 1 pt for a loss
Tie after OT? Both teams get 1 pt

NEXT

- Giroux_Is_God

Yup

Though to be honest, it all went downhill when they started to allow forward passing. I blame Conn Smythe.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:34 PM ET
I know I'm in the minority, but I think the entire game should just be one shootout. I love love love shootouts
- Mononoke

make the entire game 3 on 3 scoring problem fixed
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:36 PM ET
To see if someone wins and gets the extra point? I don't understand how people think this is a bad system.

If you play to a regulation tie, you deserve a point. You played the game and no one wins. Both get a point. Now, play another game (the 3v3 OT) to see who wins the 2nd point.

- Giroux_Is_God

in football a loss is a loss no coddling the losers by giving them a half win
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 19 @ 3:38 PM ET
in football a loss is a loss no coddling the losers by giving them a half win
- 2Real

At least in the NFL, if a game is tied after OT they call it a tie and move on. They don't go ahead and settle the game with a (frank)ing field goal kicking contest. The shootout is a travesty.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 19 @ 3:38 PM ET
in football a loss is a loss no coddling the losers by giving them a half win
- 2Real


What about a tie?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:39 PM ET
At least in the NFL, if a game is tied after OT they call it a tie and move on. They don't go ahead and settle the game with a (frank)ing field goal kicking contest. The shootout is a travesty.
- BiggE

yea thank god the eagles would never will a field goal kicking contest
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:39 PM ET
What about a tie?
- YuenglingJagr

that's fine
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 19 @ 3:42 PM ET
What about a tie?
- YuenglingJagr


[McNabb] Huh? [/McNabb]
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:47 PM ET
in football a loss is a loss no coddling the losers by giving them a half win
- 2Real

fascinating. They don't determine their standings using a points based system though.

NEXT.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:50 PM ET
A winner is always declared, i.e., the Kings beat the Flyers.

There are only two outcomes. Win or loss.

People ask "did your team win?"
Nobody asks "did your team not lose?"

- Scoob



Sorry Scoob, but that's false. There are 3 columns in the standings. A loss in OT is not the same as a loss in regulation. If you asked me after the LA game, did my team win, my answer is they lost in the shootout. If you asked me the same question after the Washington game, I'd have said, nope! Two way street again, can't offer up a question as an example without considering the answer. The different answer that would be expected differentiates between the two.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:52 PM ET
To see if someone wins and gets the extra point? I don't understand how people think this is a bad system.

If you play to a regulation tie, you deserve a point. You played the game and no one wins. Both get a point. Now, play another game (the 3v3 OT) to see who wins the 2nd point.

- Giroux_Is_God



It's a bad system because a win in OT or a shootout shouldn't be worth as much as a win in regulation.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 19 @ 3:52 PM ET
Just go back to the old way.

Regulation: 2 pts for a win, 0 pt for a loss
OT: 5 mins 3v3; 2 pts for a win, 1 pt for a loss
Tie after OT? Both teams get 1 pt

NEXT

- Giroux_Is_God


Should never have changed

Making the game "better" for casual fans does nothing in the long run, because casual fans who aren't bright enough to understand what you wrote aren't worth keeping as fans
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