That's my point, people are asking Couturier to be a player that is extremely rare in the NHL, based on his role and how he is used, and calling all of that excuses. How can it be an excuse when a player who is actually capable of doing what is being asked is very rare?
- MJL

I think those people are being stupid, tbh.

Sean's handling a very difficult role very well. With that said, tho, if they continue to run him out there as a 2C (without outstanding linemates to pull him forward offensively), this team isn't going to get better at ES scoring any time soon.

Nope. Complaining would be quite far down on the list of things to do I think.
- wolfhounds

Oh, c'mon. It would be non stop.

Deflecting. You claimed that 30-40 points isn't 2nd line production.
- MJL

not deflecting at all. he is the #65 center in points. you said yourself it isn't 2nd line center production. 1-60 in theory = top 2 lines. 61-120 = bottom 2 lines...

30-40 isn't 2nd line production.

That's my point, people are asking Couturier to be a player that is extremely rare in the NHL, based on his role and how he is used, and calling all of that excuses. How can it be an excuse when a player who is actually capable of doing what is being asked is very rare?
- MJL

Biggest difference is the shot IMO. If coots can find his shot or if he can commit to scoring dirty goals it changes a lot. From what we have seen Junior and NHL combined...I think he is capable but we will see

Oh, c'mon. It would be non stop.
- mayorofangrytown

Andrew MacDonald would still be on the team...and Nick Schultz would be playing over Alt

Yes. At least 65% by my humble guess would want Matthews as the 1st line center and more production out of Couturier and Laughton traded for help on the wing because White's a better 4th line center.

Just my guess.
- mayorofangrytown

White only played center when Bellemare was out. I doubt White's back next year, and Bellemare can be moved to wing where he's played before in the SHL and for France.

I think those people are being stupid, tbh.

Sean's handling a very difficult role very well. With that said, tho, if they continue to run him out there as a 2C (without outstanding linemates to pull him forward offensively), this team isn't going to get better at ES scoring any time soon.
- Tomahawk

Here's the paradox though, if you change Couturier's role, and put him in better situations offensively, the team will be put in a worse situation to win. Now a legitimate argument can be made towards, so what? They aren't going anywhere anyway, and it's better for the future to try and develop Couturier's offensive game and relieve him of some of the burdens he carries. I wouldn't disagree with anyone who thinks that.

not deflecting at all. he is the #65 center in points. you said yourself it isn't 2nd line center production. 1-60 in theory = top 2 lines. 61-120 = bottom 2 lines...

30-40 isn't 2nd line production.
- rinaldo

Still haven't addressed how the link I posted pointed out that your statement that 30-40 points isn't 2nd line production was wrong, and you continue to ignore the facts. You're also claiming I said things that I have not said.

Here's the paradox though, if you change Couturier's role, and put him in better situations offensively, the team will be put in a worse situation to win. Now a legitimate argument can be made towards, so what? They aren't going anywhere anyway, and it's better for the future to try and develop Couturier's offensive game and relieve him of some of the burdens he carries. I wouldn't disagree with anyone who thinks that.
- MJL

I'd like to see this happen to see what kind of production he can give us.

Still haven't addressed how the link I posted pointed out that your statement that 30-40 points isn't 2nd line production was wrong, and you continue to ignore the facts. You're also claiming I said things that I have not said.
- MJL

I addressed it pretty clearly. he is ranked #65 in scoring for centers. how does that equate to 2nd line production? wouldn't the top 60 be 2nd line production? wouldn't #65 be 3rd line? those are the facts

you said 120 centers in the nhl did you not?

I'd like to see this happen to see what kind of production he can give us.
- ClaudeFather

So would I. If he can play on a line where he can develop chemistry, and play with a skilled offensive catalyst, I have no doubt that he could score in the 50-60 point range. Especially if the Flyers can improve their overall skill level to put out a productive 2nd PP unit.

I addressed it pretty clearly. he is ranked #65 in scoring for centers. how does that equate to 2nd line production? wouldn't the top 60 be 2nd line production? wouldn't #65 be 3rd line? those are the facts

you said 120 centers in the nhl did you not?
- rinaldo

Last time, you stated that 30-40 points isn't 2nd line production. In the link that I provided to you for centers for the 14/15 season, how many points did the 60th ranked center produce?

We all know what the response would have been on here if Ghost had made that same pass to Couturier and Couturier had not been able to get it past Quick. If you can't give credit for a strong offensive play maybe it's you who needs to take the tinted glasses off.

Giroux, Ghost and Bellemare all had golden chances in OT to win the game, but they all failed, then Gagner, Giroux and Voracek all failed in the shootout. So of course the response on HB is to blame the loss on Couturier.
- Feanor

I'm not the same as other posters, so don't generalize. My comments are my own, as are my opinions. Yes it was a nice pass, but hardly extraordinary. I never once blamed the loss on Couturier, so don't place words in my mouth either. Losing and winning is a team accomplishment...however, as great as Couturier is defensively, more times than not when he gets chances to score, he doesn't.

I'm not the same as other posters, so don't generalize. My comments are my own, as are my opinions. Yes it was a nice pass, but hardly extraordinary. I never once blamed the loss on Couturier, so don't place words in my mouth either. Losing and winning is a team accomplishment...however, as great as Couturier is defensively, more times than not when he gets chances to score, he doesn't.
- aantny88

Very simple hockey play.

Last time, you stated that 30-40 points isn't 2nd line production. In the link that I provided to you for centers for the 14/15 season, how many points did the 60th ranked center produce?
- MJL

39....still doesn't change the facts that #14 finished 65 overall which is not 2nd line center production.

simple question. based on those rankings by scoring, is 14 a 2nd line center? yes or no?

I'm not the same as other posters, so don't generalize. My comments are my own, as are my opinions. Yes it was a nice pass, but hardly extraordinary. I never once blamed the loss on Couturier, so don't place words in my mouth either. Losing and winning is a team accomplishment...however, as great as Couturier is defensively, more times than not when he gets chances to score, he doesn't.
- aantny88

A pass doesn't have to be extraordinary to counter a comment that he has hands of stone.

I'm not the same as other posters, so don't generalize. My comments are my own, as are my opinions. Yes it was a nice pass, but hardly extraordinary. I never once blamed the loss on Couturier, so don't place words in my mouth either. Losing and winning is a team accomplishment...however, as great as Couturier is defensively, more times than not when he gets chances to score, he doesn't.
- aantny88

That applies to every player on the team.

So you don't blame Couturier, but every post from you in this thread is some kind of criticism of him. Clearly he's the biggest problem we have - just look at how well the Flyers did and how many goals they scored when he was injured.

That applies to every player on the team.
- Feanor

And the NHL in general

39....still doesn't change the facts that #14 finished 65 overall which is not 2nd line center production.

simple question. based on those rankings by scoring, is 14 a 2nd line center? yes or no?
- rinaldo

Several teams had 3 players inside the top 50 on that chart - NYI, STL, TBL, SJS, etc.

And the NHL in general
- YuenglingJagr

Different sport, same idea:

“As you know, to hit the magical .300 you gotta fail seven out of ten times.”

- Trouble with the Curve.

That applies to every player on the team.

So you don't blame Couturier, but every post from you in this thread is some kind of criticism of him. Clearly he's the biggest problem we have - just look at how well the Flyers did and how many goals they scored when he was injured.
- Feanor

The problem is that he isnt glamorous. Kinda reminds me of the Jeff Carter effect. He's a bum who always misses the net, and doesnt try.

OR, he is such a gifted skater it looks effortless, and he misses the net so much because he shoots so damn often.

Couts isnt a superstar. Hell, hes not even a star. But he is a central and extremely important cog. He if also very effective. Boring.. sorta.

Funny, people loved Nik Zherdev.

The problem is that he isnt glamorous. Kinda reminds me of the Jeff Carter effect. He's a bum who always misses the net, and doesnt try.

OR, he is such a gifted skater it looks effortless, and he misses the net so much because he shoots so damn often.

Couts isnt a superstar. Hell, hes not even a star. But he is a central and extremely important cog. He if also very effective. Boring.. sorta.

Funny, people loved Nik Zherdev.
- jak521

Zherdev was just persecuted and never given a chance.

The problem is that he isnt glamorous. Kinda reminds me of the Jeff Carter effect. He's a bum who always misses the net, and doesnt try.

OR, he is such a gifted skater it looks effortless, and he misses the net so much because he shoots so damn often.

Couts isnt a superstar. Hell, hes not even a star. But he is a central and extremely important cog. He if also very effective. Boring.. sorta.

Funny, people loved Nik Zherdev.
- jak521

Scored 20 goals on the fourth line, I loved it.

Different sport, same idea:

“As you know, to hit the magical .300 you gotta fail seven out of ten times.”

- Trouble with the Curve.
- wolfhounds

Imagine comparing the batting averages of MLB players with one group of players facing major league pitchers, versus another facing AA ball pitchers.

Or rating shooters in basketball with one player shooting from 10 feet, and another shooting from 20 feet and calling the player shooting from 20 feet a poor shooter because he doesn't score as much as the guy shooting from 10 feet.

Scored 20 goals on the fourth line, I loved it.
- ClaudeFather

When?