Tanev and shink ?
- Redmile247

Even though WD didn't coach Shink with the Med Hat connection I just can't see it. MNGT wants to see what WD can do with Shink first.

Van would try to flog Tanev and a pick as it's too risky to let prospects go right now.

Could be wrong though they may think a few of the prospects are a bust. hard to say what JB is thinking

Seems fair, but who are we kidding? Replacing Tanev with Hamonic isn't going to solve the Canucks D problems. The problems are named Edler, Hamhuis, Bartkowski, Sbisa, Weber etc.
- nucks_94

Treyamkin next year and UFAs I doubt Weber comes back

Seems fair, but who are we kidding? Replacing Tanev with Hamonic isn't going to solve the Canucks D problems. The problems are named Edler, Hamhuis, Bartkowski, Sbisa, Weber etc.
- nucks_94

No it won't...but it would be a massive step in the right direction replacing Tanev with a tougher, bigger dman with a good right hand shot plus statistical upside.

Hamonic can be a 30-40 points guy Tanev will be stuck around 15-20

When he's on he can look like a top 10 d-man, but that's not always. He has had conditioning issues in the past with both Chicago and Winnipeg, it's the reason he's on the block to begin with I assume.

I don't think many would argue that Dion would get a 6 x 7m today. Two years ago, much more likely. I know the Dion hate is strong, but his track record prior to his current deal was much better than Buffy's is right now.
- djamon

Buff's conditioning is blown way out of proportion!! he is a big man and has never not been ready to start a season. Buff is worth more than you think and there is a team that will pay for him, just ke the Leafs were willing to pay for Dion

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 43s44 seconds ago
McKenzie was asked which team he thought was most likely to land Travis Hamonic. #Isles #NHLJets #Oilers 1/4

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 46s46 seconds ago
McKenzie: #NHLJets have the assets, but not sure how fit would work. Has to be some way to make it work. #Isles 2/4

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McKenzie: “I think Edmonton has a stronger desire for the player. I just don’t think they have the fit right now.” #Oilers #Isles 3/4

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McKenzie: “Edmonton might want it more than anybody else right now.” #Oilers #NHLJets #Isles #Hamonic 4/4


Snow and Chiarelli have a pretty long history of trades, also. I don't think Chevy has ever made a trade

Treyamkin next year and UFAs I doubt Weber comes back
- VANTEL

Weber ain't coming back.

No it won't...but it would be a massive step in the right direction replacing Tanev with a tougher, bigger dman with a good right hand shot plus statistical upside.

Hamonic can be a 30-40 points guy Tanev will be stuck around 15-20
- LordHumungous

It would be very nice and that is why Tanev and a mid prospect would be ideal.

No it won't...but it would be a massive step in the right direction replacing Tanev with a tougher, bigger dman with a good right hand shot plus statistical upside.

Hamonic can be a 30-40 points guy Tanev will be stuck around 15-20
- LordHumungous

As long as it doesnt cost much more than Tanev, I think JB has to push for this. Tanev is excellent shutdown defender and moves the puck well but he isnt offensive at all. Even with the PP time he is getting its just showing how he will not be a point producer

Fair point. But you did get a little lucky dealing with Tim Murray who may be the worst trader in the NHL. Plus, I don't think the deal was all that lopsided. Myers has been struggling from what I've read.
- djamon

It's never good to judge a trade to early but if I had to answer today, I'd say the Jets hosed them. Myers has been fine, like most players when a team is struggling everyone looks bad but i am very happy to have him. Sford is what he is, a streaky 2nd -3rd line player, we got him to sign for this year and next which will be the perfect bridge to some of our prospects. Armia, thus far does have bust title as a former first round pick but is still young enough to turn it around. Lemieux will be exactly like his dad, a crap disturber who everyone hates to play against but loves on your team and Jack Raslovic is off to a great start in the USHL this year. As for the Sabres, Bogo just played his first game because shocker, he was hurt ( always is!!) Kane will never live up to his hype for one reason, he is a vey dumb hockey player with absolutely no hockey sense, you cant teach stupid

No it won't...but it would be a massive step in the right direction replacing Tanev with a tougher, bigger dman with a good right hand shot plus statistical upside.

Hamonic can be a 30-40 points guy Tanev will be stuck around 15-20
- LordHumungous

I don't think a trade of that magnitude would be revolved around both players point production...
They are two completely different playing styles for defensemen.

As long as it doesnt cost much more than Tanev, I think JB has to push for this. Tanev is excellent shutdown defender and moves the puck well but he isnt offensive at all. Even with the PP time he is getting its just showing how he will not be a point producer
- WhiteLie

I agree JB should push hard. We are all talking about getting a top Dman in UFA. Here is a chance

"I would not be too upset about trading Tanev, but hope he could be kept out of any deal.
If you're Garth snow, perhaps you could be convinced to go all in and make a real push for the cup this year...add some talent up front as well as D.

Hamonic for Edler, Higgens and Shink.

This gives NYI a Top 4 Dman for this season and beyond, a versatile 2nd-4th liner in Higgens, who is good on the boards and the PK and another blue chipper to keep in the minors for the future or use as a further trade chip.

Van get's a young/tough cornerstone Dman they require and also free up a roster spot for youth." dbot
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No way is Hamonic worth that much. Edler for Hamonic or Tanev for Hamonic should be fine in terms of a fair deal. Hamonic hasn't exactly lit up the league, but yes, he does still have a little bit of upside. He's only had one decent season thus far, and that was last year. How many times have we seen a player regress after having a decent year previously? (which looks to be the case with Hamonic this year) That said, I would take a chance on him, given he is still only 25. But again, not if it means overpayment

Force Hamhuis to waive and add shinkaruk or baertschi plus a 3rd.

By force I mean bench him every game if he doesn't waive

Force Hamhuis to waive and add shinkaruk or baertschi plus a 3rd.

By force I mean bench him every game if he doesn't waive
- The_Kuze

Canuck fans need to be more realistic about Hamhuis's value.

Force Hamhuis to waive and add shinkaruk or baertschi plus a 3rd.

By force I mean bench him every game if he doesn't waive
- The_Kuze

That would be extremely poor management and would send a bad massage to any other players who may think of playing in Vancouver. He negotiated his no-movement clause in good faith and you can't just reneg and/or punish a player for exercising such rights. Plus, although Hamhuis has perhaps lost a bit of a step, he still makes up for it with his great positioning and solid decision making. If we can get someone of equal value but maybe a little bit younger and cheaper than so be it, but there's not many defenseman out there who fit that bill unfortunately (unless you are willing to overpay)

Force Hamhuis to waive and add shinkaruk or baertschi plus a 3rd.

By force I mean bench him every game if he doesn't waive
- The_Kuze

I like this idea ....Canucks do this to BC boy who signed undervalued deals with no trade clause ...probably detour any decent UFAs from ever signing in van

That would be extremely poor management and would send a bad massage to any other players who may think of playing in Vancouver. He negotiated his no-movement clause in good faith and you can't just reneg and/or punish a player for exercising such rights. Plus, although Hamhuis has perhaps lost a bit of a step, he still makes up for it with his great positioning and solid decision making. If we can get someone of equal value but maybe a little bit younger and cheaper than so be it, but there's not many defenseman out there who fit that bill unfortunately (unless you are willing to overpay)
- Zogg

I think Hammer might be willing to waive closer to the deadline if the Canucks are out of it. Give him a shot to go on a playoff run and make it clear that he won't be re-signed in Van. With the way teams covet Dmen with playoff experience in this league, we could likely get a reasonable pick for him, even with his declined play.

I think Hammer might be willing to waive closer to the deadline if the Canucks are out of it. Give him a shot to go on a playoff run and make it clear that he won't be re-signed in Van. With the way teams covet Dmen with playoff experience in this league, we could likely get a reasonable pick for him, even with his declined play.
- nucks_94

He could still pull a Sundin.

He could still pull a Sundin.
- hillbillydeluxe

Sure, and that would be his right with an NTC. But I think he'd consider a move to a contender for a few months to chase a cup

It's never good to judge a trade to early but if I had to answer today, I'd say the Jets hosed them. Myers has been fine, like most players when a team is struggling everyone looks bad but i am very happy to have him. Sford is what he is, a streaky 2nd -3rd line player, we got him to sign for this year and next which will be the perfect bridge to some of our prospects. Armia, thus far does have bust title as a former first round pick but is still young enough to turn it around. Lemieux will be exactly like his dad, a crap disturber who everyone hates to play against but loves on your team and Jack Raslovic is off to a great start in the USHL this year. As for the Sabres, Bogo just played his first game because shocker, he was hurt ( always is!!) Kane will never live up to his hype for one reason, he is a vey dumb hockey player with absolutely no hockey sense, you cant teach stupid
- Ross77

Yeah, that's probably a fair assessment. Re-signing Stafford, and getting solid production from him, makes the deal more lopsided for sure. If he walks, and it's essentially Myers for Kane and Bogosian it's a little closer. But I'm with you on Kane...he's a (frank)ing head case, and that will never change.

I like this idea ....Canucks do this to BC boy who signed undervalued deals with no trade clause ...probably detour any decent UFAs from ever signing in van
- Redmile247

They won't force Hammer to waive. If they didn't do it to Bieksa they won't do it to Hamhuis. They'll provide him with opportunities at TDL if need be to go to a contender. Hamhuis has been a loyal guy and should be rewarded for it regardless of what we think of his declining play. He still has some good hockey left in him it just won't be in Van.

I don't think a trade of that magnitude would be revolved around both players point production...
They are two completely different playing styles for defensemen.
- Codes1087

It won't be the deciding factor agree...but it will be relevant.

Sorry about the bold print I am not yelling!! lol

Computer is acting funny...

I would not be too upset about trading Tanev, but hope he could be kept out of any deal.
If you're Garth snow, perhaps you could be convinced to go all in and make a real push for the cup this year...add some talent up front as well as D.

Hamonic for Edler, Higgens and Shink.

This gives NYI a Top 4 Dman for this season and beyond, a versatile 2nd-4th liner in Higgens, who is good on the boards and the PK and another blue chipper to keep in the minors for the future or use as a further trade chip.

Van get's a young/tough cornerstone Dman they require and also free up a roster spot for youth.
- dbot

Did you just Higgins with a straight face?

It won't be the deciding factor agree...but it will be relevant.

Sorry about the bold print I am not yelling!! lol

Computer is acting funny...

- LordHumungous

Woah dude, stop yelling. Very uncalled for.

They won't force Hammer to waive. If they didn't do it to Bieksa they won't do it to Hamhuis. They'll provide him with opportunities at TDL if need be to go to a contender. Hamhuis has been a loyal guy and should be rewarded for it regardless of what we think of his declining play. He still has some good hockey left in him it just won't be in Van.
- LordHumungous

The thing that pisses me off the most about this D is Edler being locked in for four years. Three more years of his brain farts is not something I look forward to. The rest of the D I can live with for this year.