i thought clarkson was a dumb signing

bernier does have more talent than reimer.. but he's in a slump

and you guys all make excuses out the ass for reimer's 3 year slump but throw bernier under the bus for slumping for less than a year

you guys are like old hens who have their favorite chick and nothing will sway you
- Dozzer

Bernier is an AHL goalie, more talent...pffft

i thought clarkson was a dumb signing

bernier does have more talent than reimer.. but he's in a slump

and you guys all make excuses out the ass for reimer's 3 year slump but throw bernier under the bus for slumping for less than a year

you guys are like old hens who have their favorite chick and nothing will sway you
- Dozzer

I dont know about that ...sounds like an excuse for Bernier (courtesy of Mirtle)

Parachute but carry on.
- Garnie

nice catch.

parashoot is the french spelling.

i will take a mid round pick for him

i am not looking for a first or top tier prospect lol
- Dozzer

Nah its first or nothing.

Or second or nothing

maybe 3rd...haha

i don't watch the Leafs but seems to me, there should be signs as to whether it's a hot streak or a legit evolution in his game. like is he making crazy acrobatic saves and giving up rebounds and flopping? because if so it won't last. but if things seem a bit easier for him then it's definitely a sign that the improved play is sustainable.
- DoubleDown

He's had a game or 2 of good luck, team is also playing D first.

Babcock is not regarded as 1 of the best coaches by luck I don't believe IMO

Meh, I hate seeing it when I come online.
- LeafMan

its better for them to lose now and keep building for 2-4 years from now like they are doing

the one approach they have never tried.. develop a good and proper team together

watch the sell off at the deadline.. and i bet the team looks as fresh as anything next year.. only next year.. the handful of vets babcock chooses to keep will have huis systems and coaching style down and they will be better leaders for the young guys who make the jump

Bernier is an AHL goalie, more talent...pffft
- the_eye

what a solid articulate argument

I think Reimer took his fair share of hate over the last three seasons d'amigo. It took me a year and a half to turn on Bernier. And Reimer only recently won me back.....much the same way he did in the lockout year (oh the discussions I used to get into over Bernier vs Reimer way back then).
- mykokes

Going back to your Sparks post. He has incredible push off with his legs, super quick from post to post.

nice catch.

parashoot is the french spelling.
- BorjeFan4Ever

OH ok, bonjournie

The above is so true.

If you could combine Bernier's talent, with Reimer's heart and fight....we'd have a number one goalie.
But I will say this, the trainer Reimer did over summer has improved his positioning, calmness in the net and even his rebound control. Ive liked what Ive seen in 10 games......now can he do it for the rest of the season? We'll see.

sidenote.
But I do recall you and ref two going on about intangibles when Clarkson was signed...even taking little shots at people who said why would they sign him.
- Fakepartofme

i defended the player.. not the contract.

i was wrong on A.. very right on B lol

what a solid articulate argument
- Dozzer

it's a statement, kind of like your statement that Bernier has more talent.

its better for them to lose now and keep building for 2-4 years from now like they are doing

the one approach they have never tried.. develop a good and proper team together

watch the sell off at the deadline.. and i bet the team looks as fresh as anything next year.. only next year.. the handful of vets babcock chooses to keep will have huis systems and coaching style down and they will be better leaders for the young guys who make the jump
- Dozzer

I'm pretty confident in saying both Nylander and Marner are with the Leafs next year. Marner will have nothing left to prove in the OHL after this year.

this team is better off losing.. not tanking.. losing

tanking: intentional

losing: just being poopty
- Dozzer

they are for a draft pic.
But winning breeds a winning environment....losing doesn't.....specially losing like the leafs have.

I'm pretty confident in saying both Nylander and Marner are with the Leafs next year. Marner will have nothing left to prove in the OHL after this year.
- LeafMan

Honestly, I could see Nylander up before March if the leafs stay in pace with a potential p spot.

Yes I know, they are only 3 pts out of last as well.
Just saying.

i defended the player.. not the contract.

i was wrong on A.. very right on B lol
- Dozzer

Yes, sorry, I do believe that is true.

I'm pretty confident in saying both Nylander and Marner are with the Leafs next year. Marner will have nothing left to prove in the OHL after this year.
- LeafMan

I agree, it sucks that Marner can't get time in the AHL, but there has to be a ceiling where a player of his talent just cant grow anymore playing against kids.

i thought clarkson was a dumb signing

bernier does have more talent than reimer.. but he's in a slump

and you guys all make excuses out the ass for reimer's 3 year slump but throw bernier under the bus for slumping for less than a year

you guys are like old hens who have their favorite chick and nothing will sway you
- Dozzer

I'm just pulling your chain... there can't be any doubt that Reimer's on a hot streak and it is VERY VERY unlikely that he can sustain the stats.

whether Bernier has more talent than Reimer is a silly debate (my opinion). I don't think many would argue that Daigle was more talented than Chris Pronger - its the application of the talent that matters.

Bernier stats do NOT support the argument that he's just on a 10 game slide... he has sucked since the middle of last season, and has more or trended down since the middle of the previous season.

I'm not so much of Reimer fan as I am anti-Bernier... because - in my opinion - he was anointed as the starter without really earning it with more than a few games of superior play. For the same reason that people are now legitimately saying we can't judge Reimer for 10 good games.. it needs to be a larger sample - the same question SHOULD have been asked when Carlyle (Mr TimeOut) anointed lil Jonny.

And quite frankly - signing Bernier to anything more that a one year show-me deal last summer was poor judgement (again my opinion).

i don't watch the Leafs but seems to me, there should be signs as to whether it's a hot streak or a legit evolution in his game. like is he making crazy acrobatic saves and giving up rebounds and flopping? because if so it won't last. but if things seem a bit easier for him then it's definitely a sign that the improved play is sustainable.
- DoubleDown

You seem so well informed.

The above is so true.

If you could combine Bernier's talent, with Reimer's heart and fight....we'd have a number one goalie.
But I will say this, the trainer Reimer did over summer has improved his positioning, calmness in the net and even his rebound control. Ive liked what Ive seen in 10 games......now can he do it for the rest of the season? We'll see.

sidenote.
But I do recall you and ref two going on about intangibles when Clarkson was signed...even taking little shots at people who said why would they sign him.
- Fakepartofme

This coming from you says a lot about Reimer's game this year so far.
And yeah, I also remember what you mention in your second point

I agree, it sucks that Marner can't get time in the AHL, but there has to be a ceiling where a player of his talent just cant grow anymore playing against kids.
- senstroll

send him to Europe - like then .. play in one of the pro leagues against men.

OH ok, bonjournie
- Garnie

well played.

He's had a game or 2 of good luck, team is also playing D first.

Babcock is not regarded as 1 of the best coaches by luck I don't believe IMO
- Garnie

He must lead the league with shots of the face.

send him to Europe - like then .. play in one of the pro leagues against men.
- BorjeFan4Ever

actually that occurred to me the other day.. they could do that as well.

I agree, it sucks that Marner can't get time in the AHL, but there has to be a ceiling where a player of his talent just cant grow anymore playing against kids.
- senstroll

i think a player like Marner can still grow other parts of his game this season in the OHL. i don't know of many 18 year olds who have the defensive side of the game down pat.

its better for them to lose now and keep building for 2-4 years from now like they are doing

the one approach they have never tried.. develop a good and proper team together

watch the sell off at the deadline.. and i bet the team looks as fresh as anything next year.. only next year.. the handful of vets babcock chooses to keep will have huis systems and coaching style down and they will be better leaders for the young guys who make the jump
- Dozzer

I could see two players maybe three being moved at the deadline.
but they can still build a proper team together and not lose games all the time.
The leafs problem, has been drafting. They need to play the best they can, win or lose and not rely on a top 5 pick but rather, quality drafting in the rounds after the first.