Sorry didn't mean top pick overall meant a top pick ie top 5. Elite talent or not with the about of top picks they have had they should be a lot better by now. With McDavid n Nurse I do believe they willstart to improve. Although good I think they need more from Hall n Hopkins. If draft could be done over Seguin or Hall?
- HamiltonHawk

I'd take Seguin before Hall, especially since Seguin is a center. I would also take Landeskog ahead of Nugent Hopkins. As for Yakupov, noone in the top 5 as really taken the next step yet. Not looking like a particularly strong draft but it's still early.

The pick should be taken away from them but it will be the Oilers again.Even with McDavid out they still should be better but there not. It took Chicago two top picks , Toews n Kane, to turn things around. How many do they need.
- HamiltonHawk

I'd have to say location does play a part in this situation. Chicago was able to land the likes of Campbell, Ladd, Hossa and dont forget Cam Barker was a high pick.

Its 20 games into the season and they have an incredible amount of talent on a roster that will get back potentially one of the best players in the NHL. I don't think they will get last.

Far too much is being read into their current record because of the past, but they have some trade chips and too much talent to finish last. But what would hilarious is if they missed the Playoffs by two points and still won the draft lottery.
- James_Tanner

So first they were Stanley Cup contenders. Now they are just not gunna get last? Wow, that changed fast.

"its not mact any longer. just whoever is the gm of the oilers."


its actually funny how silly and clueless the conventional wisdom becomes with the masses.
I dont blame people for not paying attention to the tire fire the oilers are, but if you don't know what youre talking about, why pretend you do with silly easy answers/solutions?

but i guess its not like I didn't know that that critical thought isn't exactly the forte of most of the posters on hockeybuz

So first they were Stanley Cup contenders. Now they are just not gunna get last? Wow, that changed fast.
- RonPielep

this also occurred to me when I read it

love tanners optimism surrounding the oilers, but ive tried to tell him that the issues are much deeper than an easy fix.

things could've maybe started to get fixed if the lineup stayed relatively healthy outta the gates and we were able to even hover around .500.

this team needed everything to go right to have any chance of it turning it around and the core learning how to win. unfortunately it didn't go that way, and theyre right on the precipice of the wheels completely falling off again

this also occurred to me when I read it

love tanners optimism surrounding the oilers, but ive tried to tell him that the issues are much deeper than an easy fix.

things could've maybe started to get fixed if the lineup stayed relatively healthy outta the gates and we were able to even hover around .500.

this team needed everything to go right to have any chance of it turning it around and the core learning how to win. unfortunately it didn't go that way, and theyre right on the precipice of the wheels completely falling off again
- Ihateallofu

Nailed it.

No pun intended.

Chiarelli won't let the next off season pass by without a making a move to make his team more solid defensively. Could see you guys making some of the higher offers for Buff.

Chiarelli knew he was getting a cornerstone when he brought in Chara despite a lot of people saying he got too much at the time.

I'd take Seguin before Hall, especially since Seguin is a center. I would also take Landeskog ahead of Nugent Hopkins. As for Yakupov, noone in the top 5 as really taken the next step yet. Not looking like a particularly strong draft but it's still early.
- porkchops1977

Centre > wing I understand, but how come you choose landeskog over rnh? Pretty similar impact on the game but you take the wing instead of a centre this time?

Nailed it.

No pun intended.

Chiarelli won't let the next off season pass by without a making a move to make his team more solid defensively. Could see you guys making some of the higher offers for Buff.

Chiarelli knew he was getting a cornerstone when he brought in Chara despite a lot of people saying he got too much at the time.
- fry

Absolutely. The guy has never been shy about being proactive.

I'm sure he wanted a chance to see what he had here before any moves, then with all the injuries- just makes it that much tougher to gauge who's part of the problem/who's part of the solution

Furthermore, sucks cause teams know we're desperate. I'm sure the returns aren't great right now.
Prob just have to suck it up and listen to more posts about how bad chiarelli is for the next while

In 2010 Oil draft Hall. Great player but as said before not really considered elite (I consider him to be, many do not).
Two elite players taken that first round are Seguin and Tarasenko.
In 2011 Oil draft Nuge. Good player but not elite. Might be best player of that draft year with the possible exceptions of Gaudreau and Brodin.
In 2012 Oil draft Yak. Hard worker but not elite by any means. Forsberg's draft year and 2016 rookie sensation Parayko.
In 2015 Oil finally land an elite level player in McDavid.

Up until McDavid in 2015 I don't think Edmonton's 1rst overalls are on the same level as comparable rebuild tandems such as Toews/Kane and Crosby/Malkin. Those 4 players are elite and as of right now better than say Hall/McDavid. It might not be the case eventually but as of today Edmonton's first overalls have not been on the same level as the rebuilding franchises that came before them.
- Wildschwein

Comparable to Penguins or Blackhawks top pick tandems, no, but what about a team like the Blues. Eric Johnson/Alex Pietrangelo could be comparable to Nuge/Hall. Blues don't have a Cup to show for it (yet...?) but they are competitive. Just saying not getting 2 elite players when you bottom out is not an insurmountable obstacle for other teams as it has been for Edmonton.

this also occurred to me when I read it

love tanners optimism surrounding the oilers, but ive tried to tell him that the issues are much deeper than an easy fix.

things could've maybe started to get fixed if the lineup stayed relatively healthy outta the gates and we were able to even hover around .500.

this team needed everything to go right to have any chance of it turning it around and the core learning how to win. unfortunately it didn't go that way, and theyre right on the precipice of the wheels completely falling off again
- Ihateallofu

I'm not sure if it's optimism for the Oilers or his obsession with willing the Coyotes to being as bad as he's proclaimed they are all year. 2 points out of a wild card spot and it's more like "No, you will be terrible! I command it!"

I sure hope things turn around for the Oilers. They have had some injuries, but geeze you wonder what it will take to turn things around for that franchise. Maybe you are right and it will take everything going right, no injuries, some lucky bounces.

Certainly familiar watching a team that can't gain any confidence and always seemed to look ready for the wheels to fall off.

As things stand and with no intended offence, it does seem like last in the league will be either the Oilers or maybe Calgary.

Comparable to Penguins or Blackhawks top pick tandems, no, but what about a team like the Blues. Eric Johnson/Alex Pietrangelo could be comparable to Nuge/Hall. Blues don't have a Cup to show for it (yet...?) but they are competitive. Just saying not getting 2 elite players when you bottom out is not an insurmountable obstacle for other teams as it has been for Edmonton.
- Antilles

I would say it has a less to do with acquiring two elite players and more to do with the depth and support throughout the lineup that was in place in other teams and virtually non-existent in Edmonton.

I'm not sure if it's optimism for the Oilers or his obsession with willing the Coyotes to being as bad as he's proclaimed they are all year. 2 points out of a wild card spot and it's more like "No, you will be terrible! I command it!"

I sure hope things turn around for the Oilers. They have had some injuries, but geeze you wonder what it will take to turn things around for that franchise. Maybe you are right and it will take everything going right, no injuries, some lucky bounces.

Certainly familiar watching a team that can't gain any confidence and always seemed to look ready for the wheels to fall off.

As things stand and with no intended offence, it does seem like last in the league will be either the Oilers or maybe Calgary.
- FlareKnight

They never learnt to win. And right now is when it's really hurting.

Some oiler fans think it's just gonna click and they'll go off. It doesn't work this way.
They need to be somewhat tangibly competitive for a stretch before one can even think about playoffs. And I don't mean just visually as they are clearly a better team. They need to actually get it done, close out some of those close games and collect points.

I even look at the yotes and if tippet can keep pushing the right buttons and keep this team battling for a playoff spot all year- missing won't matter cause their kids will have learnt to win in this league. Even a little at a time

The Colorado Avalanche. What can you expect when you get rid of players like Statsny, Shattenkirk and O'Reilly and replace them with Soderberg, Johnson and Comeau? Bad management all across the board.

The Colorado Avalanche. What can you expect when you get rid of players like Statsny, Shattenkirk and O'Reilly and replace them with Soderberg, Johnson and Comeau? Bad management all across the board.
- OnTheFly

Johnson is solid Dman, Soderberg is good responsible Center, comeau is Meh...and hes Mcginns replacement. ROR was for Zadorov and Grigorenko + Compher. I guess that point didnt fit into your trolling post to skip that part.

Also lock up 14.5+ in stastny, ROR...plus the 6m for Dutch. 20.5m in centeres. They would be trading them anyways since there is no cap room for MacKinnon, and hes the best one out of all of those guys, hes a superstar in the making. So if anyone is getting 7m+ on the Avs, its MacK...not hard to see the logic in that

Hey Tanner, at the start of the season you predicted the canucks to finish dead last. Change your mind? I guess it's a woman's prerogative...

Johnson is solid Dman, Soderberg is good responsible Center, comeau is Meh...and hes Mcginns replacement. ROR was for Zadorov and Grigorenko + Compher. I guess that point didnt fit into your trolling post to skip that part.

Also lock up 14.5+ in stastny, ROR...plus the 6m for Dutch. 20.5m in centeres. They would be trading them anyways since there is no cap room for MacKinnon, and hes the best one out of all of those guys, hes a superstar in the making. So if anyone is getting 7m+ on the Avs, its MacK...not hard to see the logic in that
- DDM-Coga

I find it hilarious the people that bring those players up always have zero idea of what was happening with the team at that point and time. They watch "OnTheFly", (pun intended) see those semi household names and listen to the pointless drivel that Weekes spews forth. All the while thinking, " omg how could they get rid of that player".

Stastny walked... that was about our only miss-step on all of these roster moves. However, as you said, that's cap space we needed to clear. Shattenkirk was 100% replaced by Barrie, who we had in the system. We landed EJ for the sub par rental that is Stewart. Lastly, you summed up the ROR situation nicely, I will add that while he was great on ice, that's the type of player we don't need on the Avs. As he obviously has shown right after being traded to BUF, he's cancer off the ice.

People only see whats happening right now. The short sight of people is mind boggling. Lets talk in 3-5 years, so we can laugh at these trades and how we fleeced everyone on these deals.

Oh, almost forgot, we picked up Soderberg for a 6th. I know hes not a powerhouse... But that's a deal I would take any day.

The last place team only has 20% chance of getting Matthews. Relying on a lottery is silly.

I picked the Leafs before the season, so I'll stick with them. I think they're 30th in talent. They're leaving most of their talent off the NHL team.

The Colorado Avalanche. What can you expect when you get rid of players like Statsny, Shattenkirk and O'Reilly and replace them with Soderberg, Johnson and Comeau? Bad management all across the board.
- OnTheFly

Roy's coaching is the biggest issue imo. He's coaching like Randy Carlyle.

Roy's coaching is the biggest issue imo. He's coaching like Randy Carlyle.
- RogerRoeper

This I can agree with, hiring Farrish and his shot blocking Defensive scheme isnt really helping them either. And his other assistant Tim Army who is in charge of the PP and PK has been a nightmare,

With all that offensive talent yet they cant run a proper PP for 2.5 year, so frustrating

I find it hilarious the people that bring those players up always have zero idea of what was happening with the team at that point and time. They watch "OnTheFly", (pun intended) see those semi household names and listen to the pointless drivel that Weekes spews forth. All the while thinking, " omg how could they get rid of that player".

Stastny walked... that was about our only miss-step on all of these roster moves. However, as you said, that's cap space we needed to clear. Shattenkirk was 100% replaced by Barrie, who we had in the system. We landed EJ for the sub par rental that is Stewart. Lastly, you summed up the ROR situation nicely, I will add that while he was great on ice, that's the type of player we don't need on the Avs. As he obviously has shown right after being traded to BUF, he's cancer off the ice.

People only see whats happening right now. The short sight of people is mind boggling. Lets talk in 3-5 years, so we can laugh at these trades and how we fleeced everyone on these deals.

Oh, almost forgot, we picked up Soderberg for a 6th. I know hes not a powerhouse... But that's a deal I would take any day.
- LlamaLord

I actually really soderberg games, hes a poors man ROR. just goes out there and does his job defensively, isnt flashy when it does it. Doesnt have the offensive upside that you would like to see from a tweener 2C/3C but hes always so calm with the puck, no panic to his game when hes getting pressured. Just does the simple safe play, wont hurt the team being on the ice

It's the Oilers, bad management and questionable draft choices prior to Chiarelli arriving is still hurting their ability to compete. The biggest thing is lack of depth.

Johnson is solid Dman, Soderberg is good responsible Center, comeau is Meh...and hes Mcginns replacement. ROR was for Zadorov and Grigorenko + Compher. I guess that point didnt fit into your trolling post to skip that part.

Also lock up 14.5+ in stastny, ROR...plus the 6m for Dutch. 20.5m in centeres. They would be trading them anyways since there is no cap room for MacKinnon, and hes the best one out of all of those guys, hes a superstar in the making. So if anyone is getting 7m+ on the Avs, its MacK...not hard to see the logic in that
- DDM-Coga

Not trolling, just saying the fact. Letting go of Statsny for nothing in return, Traded ROR for "project" AHL at best players , Letting go of Anderson, Traded 1st round pick for Varlamov, getting shafted in the Shattenkrik-Johnson trade, all this is called bad management...Admit it, fan boy

Not trolling, just saying the fact. Letting go of Statsny for nothing in return, Traded ROR for "project" AHL at best players , Letting go of Anderson, Traded 1st round pick for Varlamov, getting shafted in the Shattenkrik-Johnson trade, all this is called bad management...Admit it, fan boy

- OnTheFly

Varly was a good trade at the time, needed a number 1 and he manned the fort. The 11th overall that was Forsberg wouldnt have helped them get over the hump (and Wsh gave up on him too early too). I am ok with that trade.

Shattenkirk-Johnson is a wash of a trade, both teams got the Dman they needed that their development systems didnt have. Avs needed a big minute munching Dman and Blues needed a offensive puck mover. I think both fan bases are happy with the trade.

Stastny walking sucked, but they were certain he was going to stay with the 6.6m 4 year deal that they offered him, he went for the 7m 4 year deal to go to the Blues, sucks it went down that way.

ROR wanted 8mx8years from the Avs and wanted the 1C role, he was open about those demands knowing the Avs would never do that, he forced his way out of town. They were not going to pick ROR over MacKinnon, thats what it was boiling down to so they had to move him. Grigorenko is a solid player, if you watch him you can see hes really sound defensively and can play in multiple roles, will be a good 30-40 point man this year. Zads is a 20 year old dman with top pairing potential...what did you think was going ot happen? Hes good just needs time to develop.

Seriously Anderson? Thats just a weird thing to bring up.

Avs have made some head scratching moves over the years but they have made some really solid ones too, they arent some dumpster fire of management group that main stream media makes them out to be. Stop listening to the professional Trolls in Yost and Mirtle

People only see whats happening right now. The short sight of people is mind boggling. Lets talk in 3-5 years, so we can laugh at these trades and how we fleeced everyone on these deals.

- LlamaLord

Nothing is wrong about a 5 years rebuild period...the problem is that Colorado is on the rebuild mode since 2004.

Nothing is wrong about a 5 years rebuild period...the problem is that Colorado is on the rebuild mode since 2004.
- OnTheFly

no they havent...jesus man look it up

2003–04 - 2nd in Northwest, lost in 2nd round of playoffs
2004-05 - Lock Out
2005-06 - 2nd in Northwest, lost in 2nd round of playoffs
2006-07 - Missed playoffs (by 1 point)
2007-08 - 2nd in Northwest, lost in 2nd round of playoffs

It was 2009 that they were bottom of the league and picked Duchene. That is when they rebuild started.

Since the 2009 rebuild they have made the playoffs twice.