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Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Nov 30 @ 1:27 PM ET
new blog up
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 30 @ 1:28 PM ET
guys i hate to embarrass you all like this...but there's a new blob
- Crimsoninja


But we're not done arguing over nothing in here.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 30 @ 1:28 PM ET
Medvedev and Rafll are both UFA at the end of the season
- YuenglingJagr


Right, so we wouldn't want to lose them for nothing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
Depends. Are the Flyers going to lie to them and tell their loyal customers that they intend to be a contender, or will they tell them they intend to miss the playoffs, but maybe be better than this season? If it's the latter, then I expect most STHs would not renew next season and then pick them back up the following year. What are the odds of that happening?
- jmatchett383



Did the Flyers tell the fans that they intend to be a contender this year? Flyers have, and will continue to have a loyal fanbase. It is only natural to expect attendance to suffer when the team is in a down cycle.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
I dont think there will be a distraction but I agree on the roster spot. I dont think the buyout penalty is high enough to dissuade hextall from a buyout
- YuenglingJagr


I don't think there will be a distraction, but who knows? It's got to be exasperating for Lecavalier, and honestly, I think that is what Hextall is hoping for, that he'll say screw it and leave.

The penalty sucks, but it's not that harsh.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 1:31 PM ET
The Flyers don't need to create roster room by buying out either player. They can simply start the inevitable roster turnover that has to happen, and make some good trades for future assets. I also don't think Lecavalier being a distraction is a factor to worry about.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 1:55 PM ET
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 30 @ 1:57 PM ET
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- BiggE

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 30 @ 2:26 PM ET
Been very impressed with Gostisbehere so far, and in recognition of that, here are my top 10 Flyers offensive dmen of all time. Now I'm talking about scoring points, not guys who got on my nerves, LOL!!

I've included each players scoring stats as a Flyer, here goes!!

Honorable mentions
Brad McCrimmon 367 35 152 187
Garry Galley 236 28 142 170
Kim Johnsson 291 40 107 147

10. Behn Wilson 339 59 155 214
While he may be better known for his prowess as a fighter, Big Behn was a highly skilled and an excellent skater. Now, if he only had decent hockey sense....

9. Bob Dailey 304 56 138 194
The Count was a huge presence on the ice and his powerful RH shot was a cannon from the point. Too bad a freak injury ended his career way too early.

8. Paul Coffey 145 15 77 92
Considering the players he played with and the pp time he got, his numbers with the Flyers are only meh. However, in his defense, he was never the same after running into teammate Eric Lindros early in his time with the Flyers.

7. Tom Bladon 463 67 163 230
Bladon took a lot of abuse from the fans, some of it deserved, but he was the only offensive threat from the blueline that the Bullies had. He was outstanding on the pp and will always be remembered for scoring 4 goals and 8 points IN ONE GAME against the long gone Cleveland Barons.

6. Steve Duchesne 89 20 43 63
He wasn't around long, but he could move the puck and pile up the points. Too bad he was so awful in his own zone or he could have been a star.

5. Kimmo Timonen 519 38 232 270
The Finnish warrior probably sacrificed higher point totals in exchange for his overall defensive work, but he was no slouch in the O zone. An excellent pp qb, he had a knack for scoring and setting up big goals at crucial times.

4. Mark Streit 179 22 83 105
Streit is an elite pp qb and has that innate sense of when to pass and when to shoot. He's not as much of a force in his all around game, but offensively, he's one of the best in the business today.

3. Chris Pronger 145 15 77 92
Pronger's elite hockey sense is what really set him apart. His shots were rarely blocked and his passes were right on the tape. He could control the game as well as anyone and was simply lethal on the pp.

2. Eric Desjardins 738 93 303 396
Rico was a supremely talented and smart player who complemented the forwards of the Lindros era very well offensively. A smooth skating RH shot, he never seemed to make a bad play with the puck.

1. Mark Howe 594 138 342 480
There is no one close to Howe on this list. His numbers are amazing when you consider the ice time he received and how much of that was going against the other teams top lines and on the PK. If he had been willing to sacrifice his defense, he probably could have averaged over a point per game, but he was too smart and too good a player to do so. One can only dream that a kid like Provorov or Sanheim could one day come close to being as good a player for the Flyers as Mark Howe was.

- BiggE


Garry Galley played 236 games a Flyer?!?!?! Man, I really checked out between 1990-1994.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 30 @ 3:04 PM ET
So the Flyers have no need to clear cap or roster space by buying out Lecavalier? If you carry 14 forwards(one being Vinny), 7 D and 2 goalies and two forwards get hurt, you're stuck playing Lecavalier, unless the injuries are serious enough to require IR or LTIR.

Obviously, with Cousins, McDonald & Leier all being recalled and playing ahead of Vinny, the preferred option of the Flyers is to not play Lecavalier at all. So, while technically there's no need for a buyout to clear space, there's an obvious preference to not use a guy, a a buy out makes that workable.

If some people want to ignore that to argue semantics, well super.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 3:08 PM ET
The Flyers have other ways to create both roster and cap space than by buying out Lecavalier and or Umberger, and therefore creating future cap dead space. That is a fact, and is a reasonable statement. I've looked at the numbers extensively, as well as looked at numerous possible rosters the Flyers can put together, without buying out Lecavalier and or Umberger. Calling that a semantics argument is weak. It's a hockey argument based on all the possible scenarios in a hypothetical look at the future roster options the Flyers have available.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 30 @ 3:13 PM ET
And the answer to the question nobody asked has returned
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 4:10 PM ET
Garry Galley played 236 games a Flyer?!?!?! Man, I really checked out between 1990-1994.
- hammarby31


Galley holds the record for most assists in a season by a Flyers defenseman. He also has has recorded the 2nd highest point total in a season by a Flyers defensman.
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