I feel like a jerk for reading all of the nice things people are saying about Luke Schenn defending Nick Schultz and thinking that it had to be good for Luke Schenn's trade value to do that.
- johndewar

Although I like the fact that Schenn will stand up for his teammates, when did the NHL suddenly become the "hard, clean hits require a fight" league? It sucks that Schultz got hurt, but the hit was totally 100% clean, just a hard hit. Didn't we used to like those hits without a player having to fight because of it?

that's true. IF they keep ghost up when he comes back.
- funmaster18

Yeah I hope he stays. Bench Schenn

Yeah I hope he stays. Bench Schenn
- Streit2ThePoint

cap hell

Although I like the fact that Schenn will stand up for his teammates, when did the NHL suddenly become the "hard, clean hits require a fight" league? It sucks that Schultz got hurt, but the hit was totally 100% clean, just a hard hit. Didn't we used to like those hits without a player having to fight because of it?
- jmatchett383

Yep. That retaliation is exactly what the league was trying to rid itself of. Hence all the PIMs for the flyers.

Whatever. If the flyers feel like it brings them together ok. But what are they going to do fight everytime someone gets knocked down the rest of the year?

Yep. That retaliation is exactly what the league was trying to rid itself of. Hence all the PIMs for the flyers.

Whatever. If the flyers feel like it brings them together ok. But what are they going to do fight everytime someone gets knocked down the rest of the year?
- Just5

Not just the Flyers. It's every team.

And yes, that seems to be what they're going to do.

Yep. That retaliation is exactly what the league was trying to rid itself of. Hence all the PIMs for the flyers.

Whatever. If the flyers feel like it brings them together ok. But what are they going to do fight everytime someone gets knocked down the rest of the year?
- Just5

I'll give Schenn the benefit there.
At real speed, on the ice, i bet it looked real bad. schultz, from that perspective, probably looked like head completely down, back to the player, and the ranger looked like he hit him square in the head without letting up.
so from the on ice perspective, it was probably very justified.

I'll give Schenn the benefit there.
At real speed, on the ice, i bet it looked real bad. schultz, from that perspective, probably looked like head completely down, back to the player, and the ranger looked like he hit him square in the head without letting up.
so from the on ice perspective, it was probably very justified.
- nails

Yea. Could've looked bad from his vantage point

Although I like the fact that Schenn will stand up for his teammates, when did the NHL suddenly become the "hard, clean hits require a fight" league? It sucks that Schultz got hurt, but the hit was totally 100% clean, just a hard hit. Didn't we used to like those hits without a player having to fight because of it?
- jmatchett383

yep

There is a difference between a hard clean hit, and a predatory clean hit. That's when players will jump in to defend a teammate, as well as for dirty hits or cheap shots.

There is a difference between a hard clean hit, and a predatory clean hit. That's when players will jump in to defend a teammate, as well as for dirty hits or cheap shots.
- MJL

So you're saying that Eric Lindros and Scott Stevens should have to fight on 70% of their shifts? They were 2 of the hardest, yet "predatory" and dirty players of all time. As fans, we applauded those hits.

Been very impressed with Gostisbehere so far, and in recognition of that, here are my top 10 Flyers offensive dmen of all time. Now I'm talking about scoring points, not guys who got on my nerves, LOL!!

I've included each players scoring stats as a Flyer, here goes!!

Honorable mentions
Brad McCrimmon 367 35 152 187
Garry Galley 236 28 142 170
Kim Johnsson 291 40 107 147

10. Behn Wilson 339 59 155 214
While he may be better known for his prowess as a fighter, Big Behn was a highly skilled and an excellent skater. Now, if he only had decent hockey sense....

9. Bob Dailey 304 56 138 194
The Count was a huge presence on the ice and his powerful RH shot was a cannon from the point. Too bad a freak injury ended his career way too early.

8. Paul Coffey 145 15 77 92
Considering the players he played with and the pp time he got, his numbers with the Flyers are only meh. However, in his defense, he was never the same after running into teammate Eric Lindros early in his time with the Flyers.

7. Tom Bladon 463 67 163 230
Bladon took a lot of abuse from the fans, some of it deserved, but he was the only offensive threat from the blueline that the Bullies had. He was outstanding on the pp and will always be remembered for scoring 4 goals and 8 points IN ONE GAME against the long gone Cleveland Barons.

6. Steve Duchesne 89 20 43 63
He wasn't around long, but he could move the puck and pile up the points. Too bad he was so awful in his own zone or he could have been a star.

5. Kimmo Timonen 519 38 232 270
The Finnish warrior probably sacrificed higher point totals in exchange for his overall defensive work, but he was no slouch in the O zone. An excellent pp qb, he had a knack for scoring and setting up big goals at crucial times.

4. Mark Streit 179 22 83 105
Streit is an elite pp qb and has that innate sense of when to pass and when to shoot. He's not as much of a force in his all around game, but offensively, he's one of the best in the business today.

3. Chris Pronger 145 15 77 92
Pronger's elite hockey sense is what really set him apart. His shots were rarely blocked and his passes were right on the tape. He could control the game as well as anyone and was simply lethal on the pp.

2. Eric Desjardins 738 93 303 396
Rico was a supremely talented and smart player who complemented the forwards of the Lindros era very well offensively. A smooth skating RH shot, he never seemed to make a bad play with the puck.

1. Mark Howe 594 138 342 480
There is no one close to Howe on this list. His numbers are amazing when you consider the ice time he received and how much of that was going against the other teams top lines and on the PK. If he had been willing to sacrifice his defense, he probably could have averaged over a point per game, but he was too smart and too good a player to do so. One can only dream that a kid like Provorov or Sanheim could one day come close to being as good a player for the Flyers as Mark Howe was.

So you're saying that Eric Lindros and Scott Stevens should have to fight on 70% of their shifts? They were 2 of the hardest, yet "predatory" and dirty players of all time. As fans, we applauded those hits.
- jmatchett383

I look at Kronwalls hits... Honestly if you are gonna target guys like that you need to be prepared to drop the gloves every once in a while. Clean hits (usually), but definitely one to pick on guys in vulnerable positions. Bothers me that he throws those hits and refuses to fight. Clean or not..

2 great great wins and its tumbleweeds in here
- Just5

The Flyers are 4 pts out of a playoff spot and 4 pts out of last in the conference. You don't get anymore mediocre than that. Mediocrity breeds apathy.

Been very impressed with Gostisbehere so far, and in recognition of that, here are my top 10 Flyers offensive dmen of all time. Now I'm talking about scoring points, not guys who got on my nerves, LOL!!

I've included each players scoring stats as a Flyer, here goes!!

Honorable mentions
Brad McCrimmon 367 35 152 187
Garry Galley 236 28 142 170
Kim Johnsson 291 40 107 147

10. Behn Wilson 339 59 155 214
While he may be better known for his prowess as a fighter, Big Behn was a highly skilled and an excellent skater. Now, if he only had decent hockey sense....

9. Bob Dailey 304 56 138 194
The Count was a huge presence on the ice and his powerful RH shot was a cannon from the point. Too bad a freak injury ended his career way too early.

8. Paul Coffey 145 15 77 92
Considering the players he played with and the pp time he got, his numbers with the Flyers are only meh. However, in his defense, he was never the same after running into teammate Eric Lindros early in his time with the Flyers.

7. Tom Bladon 463 67 163 230
Bladon took a lot of abuse from the fans, some of it deserved, but he was the only offensive threat from the blueline that the Bullies had. He was outstanding on the pp and will always be remembered for scoring 4 goals and 8 points IN ONE GAME against the long gone Cleveland Barons.

6. Steve Duchesne 89 20 43 63
He wasn't around long, but he could move the puck and pile up the points. Too bad he was so awful in his own zone or he could have been a star.

5. Kimmo Timonen 519 38 232 270
The Finnish warrior probably sacrificed higher point totals in exchange for his overall defensive work, but he was no slouch in the O zone. An excellent pp qb, he had a knack for scoring and setting up big goals at crucial times.

4. Mark Streit 179 22 83 105
Streit is an elite pp qb and has that innate sense of when to pass and when to shoot. He's not as much of a force in his all around game, but offensively, he's one of the best in the business today.

3. Chris Pronger 145 15 77 92
Pronger's elite hockey sense is what really set him apart. His shots were rarely blocked and his passes were right on the tape. He could control the game as well as anyone and was simply lethal on the pp.

2. Eric Desjardins 738 93 303 396
Rico was a supremely talented and smart player who complemented the forwards of the Lindros era very well offensively. A smooth skating RH shot, he never seemed to make a bad play with the puck.

1. Mark Howe 594 138 342 480
There is no one close to Howe on this list. His numbers are amazing when you consider the ice time he received and how much of that was going against the other teams top lines and on the PK. If he had been willing to sacrifice his defense, he probably could have averaged over a point per game, but he was too smart and too good a player to do so. One can only dream that a kid like Provorov or Sanheim could one day come close to being as good a player for the Flyers as Mark Howe was.
- BiggE

no ives racine!!!

There is a difference between a hard clean hit, and a predatory clean hit. That's when players will jump in to defend a teammate, as well as for dirty hits or cheap shots.
- MJL

that was a hard clean hit

The Flyers are 4 pts out of a playoff spot and 4 pts out of last in the conference. You don't get anymore mediocre than that. Mediocrity breeds apathy.
- psuhockey

4 pts from playoffs

2 great great wins and its tumbleweeds in here
- Just5

tank nation doesn't thrive on wins

no ives racine!!!
- rinaldo

Although I like the fact that Schenn will stand up for his teammates, when did the NHL suddenly become the "hard, clean hits require a fight" league? It sucks that Schultz got hurt, but the hit was totally 100% clean, just a hard hit. Didn't we used to like those hits without a player having to fight because of it?
- jmatchett383

nothing wrong with teammates sticking up for each other... i guess it's just a conundrum of hockey.

So you're saying that Eric Lindros and Scott Stevens should have to fight on 70% of their shifts? They were 2 of the hardest, yet "predatory" and dirty players of all time. As fans, we applauded those hits.
- jmatchett383

Yes someone should've jumped Stevens for that hit on Lindros. Players will view hits differently. If they feel that a player is trying to lay out a teammate because he was vulnerable then they will respond differently than they would to a normal hit.

I look at Kronwalls hits... Honestly if you are gonna target guys like that you need to be prepared to drop the gloves every once in a while. Clean hits (usually), but definitely one to pick on guys in vulnerable positions. Bothers me that he throws those hits and refuses to fight. Clean or not..
- jak521

that was a hard clean hit
- rinaldo

Not one thing dirty about it. Mcilrath came in on hard pinch Bc the puck was getting wrapped around. He met Schultz at the puck. Nothing wrong with it

Been very impressed with Gostisbehere so far, and in recognition of that, here are my top 10 Flyers offensive dmen of all time. Now I'm talking about scoring points, not guys who got on my nerves, LOL!!

I've included each players scoring stats as a Flyer, here goes!!

Honorable mentions
Brad McCrimmon 367 35 152 187
Garry Galley 236 28 142 170
Kim Johnsson 291 40 107 147

10. Behn Wilson 339 59 155 214
While he may be better known for his prowess as a fighter, Big Behn was a highly skilled and an excellent skater. Now, if he only had decent hockey sense....

9. Bob Dailey 304 56 138 194
The Count was a huge presence on the ice and his powerful RH shot was a cannon from the point. Too bad a freak injury ended his career way too early.

8. Paul Coffey 145 15 77 92
Considering the players he played with and the pp time he got, his numbers with the Flyers are only meh. However, in his defense, he was never the same after running into teammate Eric Lindros early in his time with the Flyers.

7. Tom Bladon 463 67 163 230
Bladon took a lot of abuse from the fans, some of it deserved, but he was the only offensive threat from the blueline that the Bullies had. He was outstanding on the pp and will always be remembered for scoring 4 goals and 8 points IN ONE GAME against the long gone Cleveland Barons.

6. Steve Duchesne 89 20 43 63
He wasn't around long, but he could move the puck and pile up the points. Too bad he was so awful in his own zone or he could have been a star.

5. Kimmo Timonen 519 38 232 270
The Finnish warrior probably sacrificed higher point totals in exchange for his overall defensive work, but he was no slouch in the O zone. An excellent pp qb, he had a knack for scoring and setting up big goals at crucial times.

4. Mark Streit 179 22 83 105
Streit is an elite pp qb and has that innate sense of when to pass and when to shoot. He's not as much of a force in his all around game, but offensively, he's one of the best in the business today.

3. Chris Pronger 145 15 77 92
Pronger's elite hockey sense is what really set him apart. His shots were rarely blocked and his passes were right on the tape. He could control the game as well as anyone and was simply lethal on the pp.

2. Eric Desjardins 738 93 303 396
Rico was a supremely talented and smart player who complemented the forwards of the Lindros era very well offensively. A smooth skating RH shot, he never seemed to make a bad play with the puck.

1. Mark Howe 594 138 342 480
There is no one close to Howe on this list. His numbers are amazing when you consider the ice time he received and how much of that was going against the other teams top lines and on the PK. If he had been willing to sacrifice his defense, he probably could have averaged over a point per game, but he was too smart and too good a player to do so. One can only dream that a kid like Provorov or Sanheim could one day come close to being as good a player for the Flyers as Mark Howe was.
- BiggE

Great list thanks.
In ten years where will Ghost and Sanheim be on there?

If Ghost keeps up his scoring pace does he get consideration for the Calder?
Seems like a long shot but game winning goals are huge!

tank nation doesn't thrive on wins
- JoeRussomanno

Is this draft even tank worthy? Maybe I am misreading the pre-draft reports but it doesn't seem like many different makers in the this draft. It reminds me of 2007 at the top with Patrick Kane and everyone else. Outside of Matthews, any guaranteed franchise changers in there?

Is this draft even tank worthy? Maybe I am misreading the pre-draft reports but it doesn't seem like many different makers in the this draft. It reminds me of 2007 at the top with Patrick Kane and everyone else. Outside of Matthews, any real franchise changers in there?
- psuhockey

Hard to say, but a lot of scouts seem to think that Chycrun has potential to be a franchise Dman.