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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 10:56 AM ET
Great list thanks.
In ten years where will Ghost and Sanheim be on there?

If Ghost keeps up his scoring pace does he get consideration for the Calder?
Seems like a long shot but game winning goals are huge!

- Marc D


Ghost, Sanheim, Provorov could all end up on this list one day. As far as the Calder goes, anything is possible, but he's going to need to keep piling up the points to get in the race.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
no ives racine!!!
- rinaldo



How does Steve Duchesne rank ahead of Garry Galley? Duchesne was here for one season and scored 38 points. Galley had two 60+ point seasons with the Flyers.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
Great list thanks.
In ten years where will Ghost and Sanheim be on there?

If Ghost keeps up his scoring pace does he get consideration for the Calder?
Seems like a long shot but game winning goals are huge!

- Marc D


Hard to say. Lots of high profile rookies flourishing such as Eichel and Larkin.

And wait till Conner McJesus comes back. Canadian sportswriters will fall all over themselves writing hot takes on why Conner deserves the Calder despite missing time.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
Is this draft even tank worthy? Maybe I am misreading the pre-draft reports but it doesn't seem like many different makers in the this draft. It reminds me of 2007 at the top with Patrick Kane and everyone else. Outside of Matthews, any guaranteed franchise changers in there?
- psuhockey

personally I don't find any draft tank worthy... if they get a high pick great if not oh well. I'd rather them try to put a winning product on the ice.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
How does Steve Duchesne rank ahead of Garry Galley? Duchesne was here for one season and scored 38 points. Galley had two 60+ point seasons with the Flyers.
- MJL


In his one full season with the Flyers, Duchesne had 56 points, the 38 you are referring to was his assist total. It's a subjective list, the only clear cut spot was Howe at #1.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 11:00 AM ET
personally I don't find any draft tank worthy... if they get a high pick great if not oh well. I'd rather them try to put a winning product on the ice.
- JoeRussomanno


yeah, though tanking for Lemieux seemed to work out pretty good for the (frank)ing Pens.
acd513
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.23.2013

Nov 30 @ 11:01 AM ET
Not one thing dirty about it. Mcilrath came in on hard pinch Bc the puck was getting wrapped around. He met Schultz at the puck. Nothing wrong with it
- Just5


People get way to excited about if the hit was clean or not. Doesnt matter. Mcilrath took a run at Schultz. Tried to hurt/intimidate him. Most teams will go after a guy for a hit like that. One of the things that sets hockey apart from other sports. Accountability to each other as players.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
yeah, though tanking for Lemieux seemed to work out pretty good for the (frank)ing Pens.
- BiggE

that teamhad to get loaded with talent for them to go on the run they went on... besides don't we have the mighty giroux? let's just build around him now.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 30 @ 11:05 AM ET
Carchidi's throwing around the cutting edge analytical stat "Combined Plus/Minus" again in his latest article. He should know readers don't care for that fancy jargon nonsense.

He was writing about the second line and saying they've been not producing lately, which while true is conveniently only half the story. No mention of them being overdue or playing well, or hopefully a harbinger of things to come. Just a mention of their combined plus minus up until this point to indirectly and misleadingly say they've been playing poorly. Maybe his fancy stats just go over my head

- Mononoke


Using combined +/- for players on the same line is classic Carchidi.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 30 @ 11:07 AM ET
He looked very good in the preseason and the first few games of the regular season. He's becoming more of a defensive defenseman rather than a two-way/ second power play unit type. Since his return from injury, he's been just OK. Not bad but also not looking like someone whose forcing the issue to earn a callup.
- bmeltzer


The AHL coach seems very reluctant to give Morin or Hagg PP time.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 11:07 AM ET
that teamhad to get loaded with talent for them to go on the run they went on... besides don't we have the mighty giroux? let's just build around him now.
- JoeRussomanno


C'mon Joe, I like Giroux, a lot, but are you really going to compare him to Mario Lemieux?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 11:08 AM ET
In his one full season with the Flyers, Duchesne had 56 points, the 38 you are referring to was his assist total. It's a subjective list, the only clear cut spot was Howe at #1.
- BiggE



I understand it's subjective. In my opinion, I'd put Galley in the top 10.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 11:08 AM ET
The AHL coach seems very reluctant to give Morin or Hagg PP time.
- Feanor


Have they earned it? Neither is known as true offensive Dman.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 30 @ 11:09 AM ET
I understand it's subjective. In my opinion, I'd put Galley in the top 10.
- MJL


Fair enough. Feel free to make your own list.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 11:09 AM ET
People get way to excited about if the hit was clean or not. Doesnt matter. Mcilrath took a run at Schultz. Tried to hurt/intimidate him. Most teams will go after a guy for a hit like that. One of the things that sets hockey apart from other sports. Accountability to each other as players.
- acd513


Too bad the league has installed rules to hurt that accountability.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 30 @ 11:12 AM ET
Defending a teammate is something that a club can rally around...
- bmeltzer


I'm not really a staunch fighting critic, but you just have to wonder if that team-building aspect of fighting and the 'fabric of the game' aspect, are really worth the cost in terms of the long-term health effects on players.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Nov 30 @ 11:14 AM ET
Hard to say, but a lot of scouts seem to think that Chycrun has potential to be a franchise Dman.
- BiggE

remember when crowder ko'ed his dad? his career wen in the crapper after that
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Nov 30 @ 11:14 AM ET
that teamhad to get loaded with talent for them to go on the run they went on... besides don't we have the mighty giroux? let's just build around him now.
- JoeRussomanno

The Flyers are building around mighty Giroux but by the time the rebuild is ready, Giorux won't be so mighty any more.

There is a difference between purposely losing and rebuilding yet both end up being the same outcome. The Flyers shouldn't start LaBarbera in net but they should move players whom they don't think will be contributors or will be overpaid for their contributions by the time the team is ready to compete again.
acd513
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.23.2013

Nov 30 @ 11:17 AM ET
I'm not really a staunch fighting critic, but you just have to wonder if that team-building aspect of fighting and the 'fabric of the game' aspect, are really worth the cost in terms of the long-term health effects on players.
- Tomahawk


Fights rarely result in injury. CTE hasn't proven to be specific to just fighters.

Shot-blocking will soon be public enemy number 1.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 11:17 AM ET
The Flyers are building around mighty Giroux but by the time the rebuild is ready, Giorux won't be so mighty any more.

There is a difference between purposely losing and rebuilding yet both end up being the same outcome. The Flyers shouldn't start LaBarbera in net but they should move players whom they don't think will be contributors or will be overpaid for their contributions by the time the team is ready to compete again.

- psuhockey



It's really about character, and ethics. The outcome can't be completely controlled so it's not really the same.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 11:17 AM ET
C'mon Joe, I like Giroux, a lot, but are you really going to compare him to Mario Lemieux?

- BiggE

I believe the term used by several posters here is... elite
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 30 @ 11:18 AM ET
Have they earned it? Neither is known as true offensive Dman.
- BiggE


They both have strong shots, though, so you'd think this would be a season to give them a chance to develop their PP game (especially with Ghost gone) rather than putting guys like Lashoff out there.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 30 @ 11:21 AM ET
Fights rarely result in injury. CTE hasn't proven to be specific to just fighters.

Shot-blocking will soon be public enemy number 1.

- acd513


Yeah, but there's still risk in fighting and not just in knuckles meeting face. Stuff like losing a helmet and having your head hit the ice, etc.

I admit to liking fighting when it's part of the game, but I understand the point of trying to curb fighting for fighting's sake.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 30 @ 11:22 AM ET
They both have strong shots, though, so you'd think this would be a season to give them a chance to develop their PP game (especially with Ghost gone) rather than putting guys like Lashoff out there.
- Feanor


I also think both guys have done it in the past, as well.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 30 @ 11:22 AM ET
I'm not really a staunch fighting critic, but you just have to wonder if that team-building aspect of fighting and the 'fabric of the game' aspect, are really worth the cost in terms of the long-term health effects on players.
- Tomahawk


I look at it as there are a million other ways to earn a living.
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