If I see any walking dead spoilers heads are going to roll.
- Streit2ThePoint

everybody dies, come back as zombies, and then die again

I love Jordin Twotoo too to bad he isn't on the team
- Streit2ThePoint

also would have accepted 2two

Jordin Twotoo isn't on the Flyers you idiot
- Giroux_Is_God

But if he was...Playoff bound

Been very impressed with Gostisbehere so far, and in recognition of that, here are my top 10 Flyers offensive dmen of all time. Now I'm talking about scoring points, not guys who got on my nerves, LOL!!

I've included each players scoring stats as a Flyer, here goes!!

Honorable mentions
5. Kimmo Timonen 519 38 232 270
The Finnish warrior probably sacrificed higher point totals in exchange for his overall defensive work, but he was no slouch in the O zone. An excellent pp qb, he had a knack for scoring and setting up big goals at crucial times.

4. Mark Streit 179 22 83 105
Streit is an elite pp qb and has that innate sense of when to pass and when to shoot. He's not as much of a force in his all around game, but offensively, he's one of the best in the business today.

3. Chris Pronger 145 15 77 92
Pronger's elite hockey sense is what really set him apart. His shots were rarely blocked and his passes were right on the tape. He could control the game as well as anyone and was simply lethal on the pp.

2. Eric Desjardins 738 93 303 396
Rico was a supremely talented and smart player who complemented the forwards of the Lindros era very well offensively. A smooth skating RH shot, he never seemed to make a bad play with the puck.

- BiggE

I didn't get to see the other guys (and don't remember Coffey well, I was 13), but there's one thing about all 4 of these players that is consistent: the ability to get point shots through. It doesn't matter if you have a bomb if it gets blocked up high. That is one thing about Ghost that impresses me: he gets his shots through. They're not always on net, but he understands how to create a shooting lane.

If I see any walking dead spoilers heads are going to roll.
- Streit2ThePoint

Morgan's wife: Still dead.

Ultimately, any decision on trading guys like Giroux or Voracek, as well as Couturier, Simmonds or Brayden Schenn hinges on three things:

1. Can you get value?

2. How easy/difficult will it be to replace them?

3. How big a contributor will they be in 3-5 years?

There's no reason to expect a big drop off for Giroux. I also don't see any way to get value that's equal to what he brings. The same goes for Voracek, despite his poor start.

Those two also will be hard to replace when looking at question number two.

But the biggest thing for me in a potential deal involving Giroux or Voracek is getting value. How do you quantify that?

It is my opinion that the Flyers cap issues are overblown. Which is not the same as saying they don't have any issues for the passive~aggressive crowd. December is not as good of a month as any for trades. As the season plays along the trade market will expand. Team bidding against one another can raise the return.
- MJL

I wouldnt say overblown. The only two contracts of value to fall off this year are Luke Schenn and Sam Gagner and both of those are eaten up by Couturier's and Voracek's extension. Medvedev($3.0) is going to fall off but his replacement will be at least approx. $1 mil leaving $2.0 which most if not all would have to go to resign B. Schenn. So next year they are in cap hell again. The following year they have to resign Mason and entire 6 man defense corp(maybe 5 is they bring up MacDonald). They will need every penny to do that.

I wouldnt say overblown. The only two contracts of value to fall off this year are Luke Schenn and Sam Gagner and both of those are eaten up by Couturier's and Voracek's extension. Medvedev($3.0) is going to fall off but his replacement will be at least approx. $1 mil leaving $2.0 which most if not all would have to go to resign B. Schenn. So next year they are in cap hell again. The following year they have to resign Mason and entire 6 man defense corp(maybe 5 is they bring up MacDonald). They will need every penny to do that.
- psuhockey

I think the expectation is that the younger players will begin to trickle in and take some roster spots. They can also move guys like Simmonds and Schenn, which will open up cap space while giving the younger players a chance to get regular minutes.

Should be another rough year next season, but if they make the right decisions, they should start hitting the upswing by 2017-18. Also not a guarantee that mason gets re-signed. Flyers goalie prospects have looked really good thus far this year.

I wouldnt say overblown. The only two contracts of value to fall off this year are Luke Schenn and Sam Gagner and both of those are eaten up by Couturier's and Voracek's extension. Medvedev($3.0) is going to fall off but his replacement will be at least approx. $1 mil leaving $2.0 which most if not all would have to go to resign B. Schenn. So next year they are in cap hell again. The following year they have to resign Mason and entire 6 man defense corp(maybe 5 is they bring up MacDonald). They will need every penny to do that.
- psuhockey

Medvedev may well be back, at a higher price. I do expect them to be rid of Lecavalier next season, even if it means a buy out, which frees up some cash. Maybe Umberger as well. If Medvedev is back, we may see Streit dealt.

The Flyers face a cap crush, but the hopeful influx of ELCs and eventual loss of deals like Lecavalier's will help. The biggest issue remains having to carry $13.1mm for Lecavalier, Umberger & MacDonald right now.

If I see any walking dead spoilers heads are going to roll.
- Streit2ThePoint

If I see any more walking dead posts, my eyes are gonna roll

Out of my head

Medvedev may well be back, at a higher price. I do expect them to be rid of Lecavalier next season, even if it means a buy out, which frees up some cash. Maybe Umberger as well. If Medvedev is back, we may see Streit dealt.

The Flyers face a cap crush, but the hopeful influx of ELCs and eventual loss of deals like Lecavalier's will help. The biggest issue remains having to carry $13.1mm for Lecavalier, Umberger & MacDonald right now.
- Jsaquella

consider that 13.1M number.
for that much dead cap space, this team is actually performing quite well.

Medvedev may well be back, at a higher price. I do expect them to be rid of Lecavalier next season, even if it means a buy out, which frees up some cash. Maybe Umberger as well. If Medvedev is back, we may see Streit dealt.

The Flyers face a cap crush, but the hopeful influx of ELCs and eventual loss of deals like Lecavalier's will help. The biggest issue remains having to carry $13.1mm for Lecavalier, Umberger & MacDonald right now.
- Jsaquella

Brayden Schenn may or may not be on the books for next year. He's an RFA.

And if they trade Streit, you might even see AMac back in the Top 6. No one is taking that AMac deal.

Medvedev may well be back, at a higher price. I do expect them to be rid of Lecavalier next season, even if it means a buy out, which frees up some cash. Maybe Umberger as well. If Medvedev is back, we may see Streit dealt.

The Flyers face a cap crush, but the hopeful influx of ELCs and eventual loss of deals like Lecavalier's will help. The biggest issue remains having to carry $13.1mm for Lecavalier, Umberger & MacDonald right now.
- Jsaquella

If the Flyers don't expect to legitimately contend next year, it might just be better to ride out the last year of Umberger and VL next year. Umberger can be buried to help save $1M.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if VL doesn't just retire or mutually terminate after his final bonus check arrives on July 1.

Not sure if the Flyers will deal Streit at the deadline unless a team is willing to part with a late first. His trade value definitely took a hit with the injury. If he can prove to be healthy and productive, they might get the 1st. Maybe they can eat some money to make the deal more appetizing.

I think B Schenn gets dealt at the draft. Flyers have never really seemed to like him and his goal totals always seem to exceed his actual impact on the ice. Could make for a tricky negotiation.

If the Flyers don't expect to legitimately contend next year, it might just be better to ride out the last year of Umberger and VL next year. Umberger can be buried to help save $1M.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if VL doesn't just retire or mutually terminate after his final bonus check arrives on July 1.

Not sure if the Flyers will deal Streit at the deadline unless a team is willing to part with a late first. His trade value definitely took a hit with the injury. If he can prove to be healthy and productive, they might get the 1st. Maybe they can eat some money to make the deal more appetizing.

I think B Schenn gets dealt at the draft. Flyers have never really seemed to like him and his goal totals always seem to exceed his actual impact on the ice. Could make for a tricky negotiation.
- PhillySportsGuy

Schenn is the perfect guy to sell to a GM who doesn't look deep into underlying numbers and places more faith in scouting reports. We could get good value for him.

Brayden Schenn may or may not be on the books for next year. He's an RFA.

And if they trade Streit, you might even see AMac back in the Top 6. No one is taking that AMac deal.
- johndewar

Yep. One way or another, I fully expect him to be on the books next season.

Ultimately, any decision on trading guys like Giroux or Voracek, as well as Couturier, Simmonds or Brayden Schenn hinges on three things:

1. Can you get value?

2. How easy/difficult will it be to replace them?

3. How big a contributor will they be in 3-5 years?

There's no reason to expect a big drop off for Giroux. I also don't see any way to get value that's equal to what he brings. The same goes for Voracek, despite his poor start.

Those two also will be hard to replace when looking at question number two.

But the biggest thing for me in a potential deal involving Giroux or Voracek is getting value. How do you quantify that?
- Jsaquella

obviously you are going to get value for them, wouldn't you say we go value for richards and carter? as far as ease to replace them, that depends... Basically by doing it you are starting a full blown rebuild. If you move Giroux you're going for a top five pick or prospect that is lights out promising. In 3 years they are still main pieces but 5 and 6 years away? that's a big gamble and all this time you have been mediocre.

However Like I said earlier if hextall can get creative, make some cap space and add another center, another scoring winger and maybe morin comes up next year then this could be a whole new team. we finally have the goaltender so that is huge burden off the backs of the team.

consider that 13.1M number.
for that much dead cap space, this team is actually performing quite well.
- nails

That's why I'm all for buyouts on Vinny and/or Umberger. For that $13.1mm you're getting a bottom six winger, a healthy scratch & an AHL defenseman.

I wouldnt say overblown. The only two contracts of value to fall off this year are Luke Schenn and Sam Gagner and both of those are eaten up by Couturier's and Voracek's extension. Medvedev($3.0) is going to fall off but his replacement will be at least approx. $1 mil leaving $2.0 which most if not all would have to go to resign B. Schenn. So next year they are in cap hell again. The following year they have to resign Mason and entire 6 man defense corp(maybe 5 is they bring up MacDonald). They will need every penny to do that.
- psuhockey

They haven't been in cap hell in the past, and they won't be next year either. Some changes are going to be made, and more players on EL deals are going to be integrated into the lineup. The only contract moving forward that I'm concerned about is MacDonald's and how they're going to approach that.

That's why I'm all for buyouts on Vinny and/or Umberger. For that $13.1mm you're getting a bottom six winger, a healthy scratch & an AHL defenseman.
- Jsaquella

If the Flyers don't expect to legitimately contend next year, it might just be better to ride out the last year of Umberger and VL next year. Umberger can be buried to help save $1M.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if VL doesn't just retire or mutually terminate after his final bonus check arrives on July 1.

Not sure if the Flyers will deal Streit at the deadline unless a team is willing to part with a late first. His trade value definitely took a hit with the injury. If he can prove to be healthy and productive, they might get the 1st. Maybe they can eat some money to make the deal more appetizing.

I think B Schenn gets dealt at the draft. Flyers have never really seemed to like him and his goal totals always seem to exceed his actual impact on the ice. Could make for a tricky negotiation.
- PhillySportsGuy

There's options. If Vinny retires or terminates, it's a huge help. Then they can buy out Umberger and clear an immediate $7mm in space.

Things will be less dire when the albatrosses are gone

Schenn is the perfect guy to sell to a GM who doesn't look deep into underlying numbers and places more faith in scouting reports. We could get good value for him.
- Nucker101

Agreed. I kinda feel that way about Simmonds too

dp

obviously you are going to get value for them, wouldn't you say we go value for richards and carter? as far as ease to replace them, that depends... Basically by doing it you are starting a full blown rebuild. If you move Giroux you're going for a top five pick or prospect that is lights out promising. In 3 years they are still main pieces but 5 and 6 years away? that's a big gamble and all this time you have been mediocre.

However Like I said earlier if hextall can get creative, make some cap space and add another center, another scoring winger and maybe morin comes up next year then this could be a whole new team. we finally have the goaltender so that is huge burden off the backs of the team.
- JoeRussomanno

They got value for two good players when they dealt Richards and Carter. Neither of them is an elite level player, which is what Giroux is.

If somebody offers you a Herschel Walker trade, you consider it. I doubt anyone does.

That's why I'm all for buyouts on Vinny and/or Umberger. For that $13.1mm you're getting a bottom six winger, a healthy scratch & an AHL defenseman.
- Jsaquella

We already have like 7 of those

If the Flyers don't expect to legitimately contend next year, it might just be better to ride out the last year of Umberger and VL next year. Umberger can be buried to help save $1M.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if VL doesn't just retire or mutually terminate after his final bonus check arrives on July 1.

Not sure if the Flyers will deal Streit at the deadline unless a team is willing to part with a late first. His trade value definitely took a hit with the injury. If he can prove to be healthy and productive, they might get the 1st. Maybe they can eat some money to make the deal more appetizing.

I think B Schenn gets dealt at the draft. Flyers have never really seemed to like him and his goal totals always seem to exceed his actual impact on the ice. Could make for a tricky negotiation.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree, buyouts of either player would be foolish next off season.