For goaltenders, players are exempt for:

signed at 18: exempt for 6 years after signing or 80 NHL games
signed at 19: exempt for 5 years or 160 NHL games
signed at 20: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 21: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 22: exempt for 4 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 23: exempt for 3 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 24: exempt for 2 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 25 or older: exempt for 1 year regardless of games played

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.
- annoyed

If you have a point, feel free to make it.

If you have a point, feel free to make it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Come on Wedgie, what did I ever do to you?

I probably did something...but I need reminding

For goaltenders, players are exempt for:

signed at 18: exempt for 6 years after signing or 80 NHL games
signed at 19: exempt for 5 years or 160 NHL games
signed at 20: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 21: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 22: exempt for 4 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 23: exempt for 3 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 24: exempt for 2 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 25 or older: exempt for 1 year regardless of games played

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.
- annoyed

can you show the clause on conditioning stints as a result of injury recovery?

If you have a point, feel free to make it.
- Atomic Wedgie

He was just helping riceroni understand the rules.

For goaltenders, players are exempt for:

signed at 18: exempt for 6 years after signing or 80 NHL games
signed at 19: exempt for 5 years or 160 NHL games
signed at 20: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 21: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 22: exempt for 4 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 23: exempt for 3 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 24: exempt for 2 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 25 or older: exempt for 1 year regardless of games played

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.
- annoyed

I feel like this is a holdover from the past CBA, since there is no re-entry waiver anymore.

No 3rd assist for you ( spoken like the Soup Nazi )
- annoyed

but we need to be concerned about Kadri's assist totals

I honestly don't know what is worse.

The Komagod nickname or the Habs singing the ole ole song.

Fine...I'll take the edit.

I honestly don't know what is worse.

The Komagod nickname or the Habs singing the ole ole song.
- stormey

Da Komagod will lead the Leafs to the cup!!!

Fine...I'll take the edit.
- stormey

I had a whole response typed out making fun it it.

But then it changed.

So I deleted it.

I had a whole response typed out making fun it it.

But then it changed.

So I deleted it.
- Feeling Glucky?

Terrible

but we need to be concerned about Kadri's assist totals
- senstroll

I think right now we may need to be. I believe he will start putting up the numbers, but I'm still concerned that he's not showing more dominance offensively

if you watch the PP goal Kom scored
Kadri digs the puck along the boards with 2 oilers on either side of him to get the puck to the point to Dion..who then slides it to Froese who shoots..redirected by Kom.

that doesnt get you an assist.
- senstroll

This is why I didn't want to debate this with you. You are countering me with a "3rd assist" example... really?


Points per 60 minutes of ice.

303rd in the league,
113th among centers (although some guys they call centers doesn't seem right)
12th on the Leafs
10th among leafs forwards


Right now, he produces p/60 at a 4th liner pace.

but we need to be concerned about Kadri's assist totals
- senstroll

Sarcasm noted.

I am supporting my opinion with actual numbers.

You support yours with an example of him getting a 3rd assist... then YOU get sarcastic.

Really?

Fine...I'll take the edit.
- stormey

yes you will

next time i'll just ban

using sexual preference slander as a negative insult is pathetic and is a sign of a weak intellect.

I think right now we may need to be. I believe he will start putting up the numbers, but I'm still concerned that he's not showing more dominance offensively
- mykokes

dont worry about it..its a waste of time. Points will come. A player does not sustain a 3.4sh% over a season..when they are a career 9 or 10% shooter

if he sustains the 3.9 shots per game and shoot 7% (below avg) the rest of the way thats 210 more shots.. he ends up with 17

if he does say 11% thats 26 goals.

This is why I didn't want to debate this with you. You are countering me with a "3rd assist" example... really?


Points per 60 minutes of ice.

303rd in the league,
113th among centers (although some guys they call centers doesn't seem right)
12th on the Leafs
10th among leafs forwards


Right now, he produces p/60 at a 4th liner pace.
- Aetherial

Right now, the entire team is one giant turd in the offensive zone.

Kadri is one hot week away from being among the Leaf points leaders.

Sarcasm noted.

I am supporting my opinion with actual numbers.

You support yours with an example of him getting a 3rd assist... then YOU get sarcastic.

Really?
- Aetherial

But that's kinda the pro-Kadri crowd's point, Aethsie:

You are supporting your opinion with actual numbers.

We are saying that the numbers don't tell the whole story.

This is why I didn't want to debate this with you. You are countering me with a "3rd assist" example... really?


Points per 60 minutes of ice.

303rd in the league,
113th among centers (although some guys they call centers doesn't seem right)
12th on the Leafs
10th among leafs forwards


Right now, he produces p/60 at a 4th liner pace.
- Aetherial

its an example of a players doing something to help create a goal... for someone who fires down stats with all that fury ...you are leaning pretty heavily on a stat to support your argument.

but we need to be concerned about Kadri's assist totals
- senstroll

We do for every other player in the league?

That's how you get paid...I'm sure Kadri would like his G/A #'s to be up I bet.

:0)

He's playing ok, I myself don't care about how many shots attempts a guy makes unless he's got a shot like Ovie or Jamie Benn...those guys can shoot it right through a goalie...Kadri is not that type of player, he's more of a little banger and crasher similiar to Komarov. IMO

dont worry about it..its a waste of time. Points will come. A player does not sustain a 3.4sh% over a season..when they are a career 9 or 10% shooter

if he sustains the 3.9 shots per game and shoot 7% (below avg) the rest of the way thats 210 more shots.. he ends up with 17

if he does say 11% thats 26 goals.
- senstroll

Honest question...

What is a poor/average/good/elite shooting percent?

I honestly don't know what is worse.

The Komagod nickname or the Habs singing the ole ole song.
- stormey

would you rather us call him Patches Jr.?

We do for every other player in the league?

That's how you get paid...I'm sure Kadri would like his G/A #'s to be up I bet.

:0)

He's playing ok, I myself don't care about how many shots attempts a guy makes unless he's got a shot like Ovie or Jamie Benn...those guys can shoot it right through a goalie...Kadri is not that type of player, he's more of a little banger and crasher similiar to Komarov. IMO
- annoyed

Let me take your argument one step further: I'm concerned when I see some players' shot totals get too high. It's an indication they are "Jason Blaking it" - taking easy shots from the perimeter instead of getting dirty to get real scoring opportunities.

I feel like this is a holdover from the past CBA, since there is no re-entry waiver anymore.
- Feeling Glucky?

I know, but you get what it means...you can't just send a healthy guy who's playing down to the minors on a conditioning stint without a good reason. If he has to go on waivers and they use the stint...it's up to the league what sort of penalty we face.

Isn't it penalty enough just having him in our net?

its an example of a players doing something to help create a goal... for someone who fires down stats with all that fury ...you are leaning pretty heavily on a stat to support your argument.
- senstroll

Let's see, my arguement is that Kadri's production is not good enough and to support my arguement, I pull out a points per 60 stat.

SHOCKING.

I don't mind cold hard stats at all. I work in the Business Intelligence section of an actuarial department of large insurance company.

What I don't agree with is taking a number like Corsi or Fenwick (which may or may not even be 100% correct) and then extrapolating that number into other meanings.

I don't argue against the actual stats (even though they are subject to human error/bias) I have argued against the meaning or significance assigned to them.


But yeah... Kadri is racking up HUGE amounts of 3rd assists.