Let me take your argument one step further: I'm concerned when I see some players' shot totals get too high. It's an indication they are "Jason Blaking it" - taking easy shots from the perimeter instead of getting dirty to get real scoring opportunities.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm not going to go searching for the areas where Kadri is shooting from...but I would bet most of them are not prime. I'm also not saying its his fault...could be the enviroment he's been put in ( Komarov always dishing if to him instead of taking the shot and letting Kadri go to the dirty area )

I know, but you get what it means...you can't just send a healthy guy who's playing down to the minors on a conditioning stint without a good reason. If he has to go on waivers and they use the stint...it's up to the league what sort of penalty we face.

Isn't it penalty enough just having him in our net?
- annoyed

Obviously he needs to go awhile without playing before being put on a conditioning stint... But he is coming off an injury, and not playing well. They could say he should have gone down right after the injury, and that they made a mistake, or some poop like that.

Right now, the entire team is one giant turd in the offensive zone.

Kadri is one hot week away from being among the Leaf points leaders.
- Atomic Wedgie

That much is true.

I just honestly don't get why people have such a hard time accepting that he is not producing at the pace of a 1st line center right now... I have even bolded and stressed "right now" over the last couple weeks.

I have even acknowledged that he has had some bad luck and that this could be a slump. Hell, I have even agreed that he will actually break out of the slump.

But some people just can't accept it any criticism of him apparently. That's why he is #FreePass.

Honest question...

What is a poor/average/good/elite shooting percent?
- Aetherial

without looking up the actual numbers

League avg goaltending is maybe .915..so shooting % is then 8.5% across the league. Forwards of course will avg higher than D

some players run at higher rates, Bozak for example.. Stamkos (career 17.2%)is another one who has been able to sustain a higher sh% over his career. Kadri is 11.1 career

its an example of a players doing something to help create a goal... for someone who fires down stats with all that fury ...you are leaning pretty heavily on a stat to support your argument.
- senstroll

Kadri...

But that's kinda the pro-Kadri crowd's point, Aethsie:

You are supporting your opinion with actual numbers.

We are saying that the numbers don't tell the whole story.
- Atomic Wedgie

Of course they don't.

But they DO tell EXACTLY the story of my original assertion that Kadri is not producing points at an acceptable pace for a 1st line center.

The reason I brought up "assists", even though it is apparently sarcasm-worthy, is that I can accept bad luck/snake-bit outliers of low-shooting percentage.

However, it has been suggested on this thread that he creates scoring chances at a good rate. Well then shouldn't we expect a good rate of assists. To suggest that the resolution to this apparent dichotomy is the 3rd assist phenomenon is...

without looking up the actual numbers

League avg goaltending is maybe .915..so shooting % is then 8.5% across the league. Forwards of course will avg higher than D

some players run at higher rates, Bozak for example.. Stamkos (career 17.2%)is another one who has been able to sustain a higher sh% over his career. Kadri is 11.1 career
- senstroll

So do we know where that would be in terms of forward lines.

Assuming Stamkos is elite at 17.2%, then 11.1 would be high second line/marginal 1st line?

I know, but you get what it means...you can't just send a healthy guy who's playing down to the minors on a conditioning stint without a good reason. If he has to go on waivers and they use the stint...it's up to the league what sort of penalty we face.

Isn't it penalty enough just having him in our net?
- annoyed

Except over the past few years, a number of teams have sent down healthy guys, and there have been no penalties.

Corrado.

I showed some examples where Nashville did it over the past few years.

I think somebody else showed that Colorado did it.

Anyhoo, it's a moot point: the Leafs will put him on waivers.

I'm not going to go searching for the areas where Kadri is shooting from...but I would bet most of them are not prime. I'm also not saying its his fault...could be the enviroment he's been put in ( Komarov always dishing if to him instead of taking the shot and letting Kadri go to the dirty area )
- annoyed

I saw a graphic if his shot locations not long ago...will see if I can dig it up

How many players can a team even send down for a "conditioning stint" if they're not injured?

Isn't that sort of circumventing the waiver system?

Anybody?

Did I mention Komarov's a beast?
- Garnie

due to the time difference... when should we anticipate the Canuck fans come on line complaining about the Leafs "breaking the rules"

and he shall not be referred to as anything other than Komagod going forward.

Of course they don't.

But they DO tell EXACTLY the story of my original assertion that Kadri is not producing points at an acceptable pace for a 1st line center.
- Aetherial

I don't think anyone is arguing that he is.

JVR is about 90th in the league - he's not either.

So do we know where that would be in terms of forward lines.

Assuming Stamkos is elite at 17.2%, then 11.1 would be high second line/marginal 1st line?
- Aetherial

I dont see how it has anything to do with lines
Kessel is a career 10.8

Ovechkin is around 12..but he is elite at generating shots...so he gets 50 goals on 400+ shots

Of course they don't.

But they DO tell EXACTLY the story of my original assertion that Kadri is not producing points at an acceptable pace for a 1st line center.
- Aetherial

he has a whole 6 points less than crosby

you guys are over-blowing this like an overly committed thai hooker

would you rather us call him Patches Jr.?


- annoyed

pleeze.... at very least given his current production - which of course WILL continue Komapatch or Patcharov....

of course everyone recognizes that Komagod can't approach Patches level of recovery from near death.

I dont see how it has anything to do with lines
Kessel is a career 10.8

Ovechkin is around 12..but he is elite at generating shots...so he gets 50 goals on 400+ shots
- senstroll

Was trying to get a general "feel". I would assume that the higher the line, the better the shooting% overall... maybe that is not a correct assumption?

he has a whole 6 points less than crosby

you guys are over-blowing this like an overly committed thai hooker
- Dozzer

and what pre-tell is the problem with being a thai hooker?

he has a whole 6 points less than crosby

you guys are over-blowing this like an overly committed thai hooker
- Dozzer

"Overly-committed"

Does that mean like a HUGE end-of-the-month price discount or is it just extra enthusiasm and love for their job?

I don't think anyone is arguing that he is.

JVR is about 90th in the league - he's not either.
- Atomic Wedgie

Bad example to pick with me ... I wanted JVR traded this off-season. I think he has a Kessel-like work ethic.

In any case, I have crossed the line into offending people with this whole thing so I am really done with this for today

Was trying to get a general "feel". I would assume that the higher the line, the better the shooting% overall... maybe that is not a correct assumption?
- Aetherial

not really..I dont know that there is any value in that info

For goaltenders, players are exempt for:

signed at 18: exempt for 6 years after signing or 80 NHL games
signed at 19: exempt for 5 years or 160 NHL games
signed at 20: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 21: exempt for 4 years or 80 NHL games
signed at 22: exempt for 4 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 23: exempt for 3 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 24: exempt for 2 years or 60 NHL games
signed at 25 or older: exempt for 1 year regardless of games played

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.
- annoyed

Is this from the last CBA?
I do'n't think there are re-entry waivers now?

he has a whole 6 points less than crosby

you guys are over-blowing this like an overly committed thai hooker
- Dozzer

The one with the big hands and the prominent adam's apple?

Because I really like her.

yes you will

next time i'll just ban

using sexual preference slander as a negative insult is pathetic and is a sign of a weak intellect.
- Dozzer

it's not the only one.

"Overly-committed"

Does that mean like a HUGE end-of-the-month price discount or is it just extra enthusiasm and love for their job?
- Aetherial

a little of this and a little of that

and what pre-tell is the problem with being a thai hooker?
- BorjeFan4Ever

absolutely nothing lol

The one with the big hands and the prominent adam's apple?

Because I really like her.
- Atomic Wedgie

Thats herr.......im