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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 7:37 AM ET
For all the heat he takes..Manning did his job last night. If he can play like that he is well worth the 650K for a 6th Dman.
- 3flyerkids


He's played better with Gostisbehere, for sure. Trouble is he's been subpar, at best, with anyone else. It's fine if he can maintain it, but that's no certainty.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 7:48 AM ET
Chris Neil needs to be knocked the (frank) out.
- Mordecai


Thought Manning and Ghost had a solid game , respect that Manning stood up to Neil last game didn't win but showed up, can guarantee Medvedev would not have fought Neil like Manning did. Still think there's room for him on Roster with way Cap is and his low cap of $625.000.

- Croatian


What the hell does repeatedly getting punched in the face by an aging goon have to do with being good at hockey?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 7:54 AM ET
Should have been a penalty, I am sure it is nothing Neil hasn't done 10,000 times.
- 3flyerkids


Neil is a pretty dirty player, targets the head frequently but never gets called; particularly, his on on (Beauchemin I think) in the 07 Finals was a charge right to the head but somehow didn't get called. That said, Gudas put his forearm/elbow right into Zibanejad's head and it should have been a penalty.

Edit: It was Andy McDonald (not Andrew MacDonald). He basically superman's into McDonald's head

3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 2 @ 7:57 AM ET
What the hell does repeatedly getting punched in the face by an aging goon have to do with being good at hockey?
- jmatchett383




For 625K he is what he is. As long as he can play a simple game he is a good depth guy to have around at that price.

The guy IMO he needs to really do something is #93. Yeah I know his line mates are not the best but he couldn't even hit the net last night. Simply need more than 1 goal in 25 games
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 8:00 AM ET
For 625K he is what he is. As long as he can play a simple game he is a good depth guy to have around at that price.

The guy IMO he needs to really do something is #93. Yeah I know his line mates are not the best but he couldn't even hit the net last night. Simply need more than 1 goal in 25 games

- 3flyerkids


That's fine. Manning is a 6/7 guy (looking more like a solid 7) who you can put in with an injury with limited minutes. I'm just not sure why getting beat up by Chris Neil makes him more valuable than Medvedev.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:02 AM ET
That's fine. Manning is a 6/7 guy (looking more like a solid 7) who you can put in with an injury with limited minutes. I'm just not sure why getting beat up by Chris Neil makes him more valuable than Medvedev.
- jmatchett383



Agree... Not more valuable than Medvedev for sure.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:03 AM ET
Neil is a pretty dirty player, targets the head frequently but never gets called; particularly, his on on (Beauchemin I think) in the 07 Finals was a charge right to the head but somehow didn't get called. That said, Gudas put his forearm/elbow right into Zibanejad's head and it should have been a penalty.

Edit: It was Andy McDonald (not Andrew MacDonald). He basically superman's into McDonald's head


- jmatchett383



neil is what he is... a. D BAG
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 8:06 AM ET
neil is what he is... a. D BAG
- 3flyerkids


I'm not a fan. I'm all for hard hits and he's a very good fighter. Just hits high too often for my liking.

That said, Gudas should have been penalized. Bending over or not, you can't give a guy a forearm/elbow to the head.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 8:09 AM ET
That's fine. Manning is a 6/7 guy (looking more like a solid 7) who you can put in with an injury with limited minutes. I'm just not sure why getting beat up by Chris Neil makes him more valuable than Medvedev.
- jmatchett383


I think that cat is just here to troll poor Feanor.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 2 @ 8:18 AM ET
It is difficult watching this team, you always wait for them to misplay something and then curl into a ball like that bug does when you poke it.

I really want to be able to relax and enjoy watching Ghost etc, but there is not enough vodka or cells in my liver and brain left to tolerate getting comfortably numb enough until they develop some consistency other than being inconsistent.

Chris Neil.... hmmm was he involved in the big brouhaha years ago when Recchi was still on the team and I think Chara was a still a Senator, that legendary brawl. Hitch was still coach then?
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Dec 2 @ 8:18 AM ET
He was ducked down so low that there wasnt much other option than a hit to the head
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:19 AM ET
It is difficult watching this team, you always wait for them to misplay something and then curl into a ball like that bug does when you poke it.

I really want to be able to relax and enjoy watching Ghost etc, but there is not enough vodka or cells in my liver and brain left to tolerate getting comfortably numb enough until they develop some consistency other than being inconsistent.

Chris Neil.... hmmm was he involved in the big brouhaha years ago when Recchi was still on the team and I think Chara was a still a Senator, that legendary brawl. Hitch was still coach then?

- Steelmanpa



Flyers have won 3 in a row, and are playing solid hockey right now.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:22 AM ET
Good game overall, few warts, but Ottawa is a team that has talent & they're an opportunistic bunch.

Wonder if Gudas gets a call from DoPS for his hit on Zibanejad. I was really surprised he didn't get hit with a penalty for that.

Mason looked really good, has a good groove going. Always figured he'd rebound, but still great to see.

Medvedev's bad turnover, not to excuse him, featured some bad play all around. He should have taken his time, skated it around the net and read the situation better. That said, it looked like Laughton could have skated harder to the puck, and Cousins was a step behind Smith as he got free in the slot, and Mason was at his mercy.

- Jsaquella


Medvedev made a bad decision, then made a bad play with the puck, then a few other bad things happened, then they scored. Then Hakstol buried the 4th line for the rest of the game.

But it was great to see him come back and get his first NHL goal, which was a nice reward for the 2nd PP unit even though it came just after the penalty expired and counted as an ESG.

It's crazy that the Flyers and Lightning are tied in the standings given the talent discrepancy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:24 AM ET
He was ducked down so low that there wasnt much other option than a hit to the head
- Trainfellow


First of all he didn't duck down, he was in a shooting position, with the puck. Watch how Gudas was crunched down, and raises up into the hit, raises his arm with a direct elbow or forearm into the head. He had an option not to raise his elbow. He should have been penalized at the very least,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuHUBJu6_0
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:27 AM ET
Flyers have won 3 in a row, and are playing solid hockey right now.
- MJL


Still the lowest scoring team.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 2 @ 8:29 AM ET
Medvedev made a bad decision, then made a bad play with the puck, then a few other bad things happened, then they scored. Then Hakstol buried the 4th line for the rest of the game.

But it was great to see him come back and get his first NHL goal, which was an ice reward for the 2nd PP unit even though it came just after the penalty expired and counted as an ESG.

It's crazy that the Flyers and Lightning are tied in the standings given the talent discrepancy.

- Feanor


took me a minute to figure out what an Ice Reward was...im gonna go get some coffee
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 2 @ 8:29 AM ET
Still the lowest scoring team.
- Streit2ThePoint


Rome wasnt built in a day, man
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:30 AM ET
Still the lowest scoring team.
- Streit2ThePoint


Yes, they've scored 10 goals in the last 3 games and are making progress.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 2 @ 8:32 AM ET
Still the lowest scoring team.
- Streit2ThePoint


Ghost is 4th on the team in goals....streit is 5th
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:36 AM ET
Ghost is 4th on the team in goals....streit is 5th
- YuenglingJagr


ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:36 AM ET
It may be beneficial to bring up Alt at some point and see what he can do. From a statistical standpoint, he looks solid at Allentown. Also, a right-handed dman with size and decent mobility is intriguing.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:36 AM ET
Still the lowest scoring team.
- Streit2ThePoint

the D will handle the scoring
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 8:38 AM ET
Yes, they've scored 10 goals in the last 3 games and are making progress.
- MJL

And that is huge progress from where they've been.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:38 AM ET
They need to get the PP going. If that happens, they'll start moving up the goals scored table.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 2 @ 8:43 AM ET
They need to get the PP going. If that happens, they'll start moving up the goals scored table.
- Feanor


I agree only because we know what this PP is capable of....but still the biggest flaw of the team to me is ES scoring. It has been handled almost exclusively by 1 line for the last year and a half
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