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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:42 AM ET
First of all he didn't duck down, he was in a shooting position, with the puck. Watch how Gudas was crunched down, and raises up into the hit, raises his arm with a direct elbow or forearm into the head. He had an option not to raise his elbow. He should have been penalized at the very least,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuHUBJu6_0

- MJL


Yep. Anyone calling that a clean hit doesn't know what they're talking about.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:43 AM ET
Didn't Gudas throw a similar hit on Turris later in the game?
- wolfhounds


I don't think that hit was dirty, but it was blatant interference if I recall correctly.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:44 AM ET
Yep. Anyone calling that a clean hit doesn't know what they're talking about.
- Scoob


Clement could hardly contain his approval of the hits Gudas was throwing. Different era, I guess.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:45 AM ET
Have to say, it's been fun and exciting watching this team play again lately. I hope this is a trend that continues. Whether or not they make the playoffs, if they can play with more consistency as they have the last few games, this season will be a lot more fun to watch.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:45 AM ET
A player is allowed to be in a shooting position, with his stick on the ice, ready to shoot the puck, or in the act of shooting, which will naturally lower his body. Just because a player is in that position, which he was well before Gudas hit him, does not make it okay to hit the player in the head. Gudas rises up into the hit, and extends his elbow/forearm right into his head. The replay is clear. If the NHL is serious about player discipline for hits to the head, Gudas should be suspended.
- MJL


Yep
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:45 AM ET
I don't think that hit was dirty, but it was blatant interference if I recall correctly.
- funmaster18


I haven't seen a good replay of the hit. At first I thought that's what all the conversation was about regarding Gudas. I know it didn't look like Turris enjoyed it.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 9:47 AM ET
Yup. They really do need to get Voracek back with Giroux. Playing him with Bellemare and VDV is just pointless.
- BiggE


Once White is back Voracek will be surely be moved off the VdV-PEB line.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 2 @ 9:47 AM ET
They won three in a row and the line is clicking, let's just be happy joe. there will be plenty of time to be angry again, I'm sure. the season is young
- funmaster18


The line has been clicking for several games now...they are just finally getting pucks to go in
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:48 AM ET
Have to say, it's been fun and exciting watching this team play again lately. I hope this is a trend that continues. Whether or not they make the playoffs, if they can play with more consistency as they have the last few games, this season will be a lot more fun to watch.
- funmaster18


Scoring and skating, moving the puck like they know what they're doing. A dynamic team. Definitely more entertaining.

I'm hoping Hakstol isn't eyeballing Medvedev for a seat in the stands after his turnover last night. I guess it doesn't feel like the Russian has much of a leash, even with the wins, but I hope I'm wrong.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:48 AM ET
They have better skating dmen than they've had in awhile. Medvedev and ghost are proving to be possible better options than streit and Schultz. They are more aggressive in the neutral zone and are much quicker in puck retrievals for this team and it's getting results for this team as they are much better in the neutral zone
- Just5


Yup, agree on all points.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 2 @ 9:52 AM ET
Once White is back Voracek will be surely be moved off the VdV-PEB line.
- Feanor


No need to wait.
Just go with:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
VDV-Bellemare-Raffl
Laughton-Cousins-MacDonald

When White comes back just send down MacDonald, slide Raffl down with the kids and put White back with his usual linemates.

When Umberger returns, waive his ass and when Gagner returns, you can send Cousins back down and put Gagner with Laughton and Raffl.

hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:55 AM ET
Clement could hardly contain his approval of the hits Gudas was throwing. Different era, I guess.
- funmaster18


He was the same with Scott Stevens.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 9:55 AM ET
Once White is back Voracek will be surely be moved off the VdV-PEB line.
- Feanor


So, basically, Hakstol is going to rearrange where Voracek plays to accommodate Ryan White...fantastic.

That said, I hope this is the case, because he's just being wasted down there.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 9:56 AM ET
No need to wait.
Just go with:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
VDV-Bellemare-Raffl
Laughton-Cousins-MacDonald

When White comes back just send down MacDonald, slide Raffl down with the kids and put White back with his usual linemates.

When Umberger returns, waive his ass and when Gagner returns, you can send Cousins back down and put Gagner with Laughton and Raffl.

- BiggE


This.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 9:58 AM ET
So, basically, Hakstol is going to rearrange where Voracek plays to accommodate Ryan White...fantastic.

That said, I hope this is the case, because he's just being wasted down there.

- jmatchett383


I don't have a problem with White but Hakstol seems to love the guy. I agree with you, if his return gets Voracek the hell away from those two, I'm all for it.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 9:58 AM ET
They won three in a row and the line is clicking, let's just be happy joe. there will be plenty of time to be angry again, I'm sure. the season is young
- funmaster18

who's angry? this flyer hockey! two or three guys can score everyone else racks up assists!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 2 @ 9:59 AM ET
No need to wait.
Just go with:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
VDV-Bellemare-Raffl
Laughton-Cousins-MacDonald

When White comes back just send down MacDonald, slide Raffl down with the kids and put White back with his usual linemates.

When Umberger returns, waive his ass and when Gagner returns, you can send Cousins back down and put Gagner with Laughton and Raffl.

- BiggE




Great post Big E! Agree with every word!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 10:00 AM ET
who's angry? this flyer hockey! two or three guys can score everyone else racks up assists!
- JoeRussomanno


Ah, you mean the LA Kings and Chicago Blackhawks method of playing hockey. I can get behind that.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 10:01 AM ET

I don't have a problem with White but Hakstol seems to love the guy. I agree with you, if his return gets Voracek the hell away from those two, I'm all for it.

- TobyFlenderson


White's a fine NHL player. He's good on faceoffs, is good on the PK, brings a physical element to the team and will drop the gloves if needed. But beyond that, there's not much else to his game, despite his mini hot streak last season.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 10:02 AM ET
Ah, you mean the LA Kings and Chicago Blackhawks method of playing hockey. I can get behind that.
- jmatchett383

I posed the question: who's angry?. Did i not?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 2 @ 10:05 AM ET
I posed the question: who's angry?. Did i not?
- JoeRussomanno


I wasn't saying anyone was angry, just noting the similarities between the scoring method you said the Flyers are using and the scoring methods employed by the last 4 Stanley Cup winning teams.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 10:05 AM ET
I don't think that hit was dirty, but it was blatant interference if I recall correctly.
- funmaster18



The hit was way late.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 10:05 AM ET
No need to wait.
Just go with:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
VDV-Bellemare-Raffl
Laughton-Cousins-MacDonald

When White comes back just send down MacDonald, slide Raffl down with the kids and put White back with his usual linemates.

When Umberger returns, waive his ass and when Gagner returns, you can send Cousins back down and put Gagner with Laughton and Raffl.

- BiggE

I'd like to switch laughton and read... also i thought umberger has a nmc.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 10:05 AM ET
No need to wait.
Just go with:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
VDV-Bellemare-Raffl
Laughton-Cousins-MacDonald

When White comes back just send down MacDonald, slide Raffl down with the kids and put White back with his usual linemates.

When Umberger returns, waive his ass and when Gagner returns, you can send Cousins back down and put Gagner with Laughton and Raffl.

- BiggE


I doubt Umberger would be waived in favor of Colin McDonald, nor should he be.

I also don't think Laughton and Cousins should be on the Flyers if they are going to get 7 or 8 minutes a night.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 10:06 AM ET
I wasn't saying anyone was angry, just noting the similarities between the scoring method you said the Flyers are using and the scoring methods employed by the last 4 Stanley Cup winning teams.
- jmatchett383

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