Matt Murray is 10 and 2 with a .937 save %, Tristan Jarry is 6 and 0 with a .928 as a rookie. Big props to Shero for drafting those 2!

Hey man, I have a great job!!!.... Technically it's a year of service, but whatever. Technicalities...
- Victoro311

So you went to college and still had to join the army to get a job? Oh well at least you have a degree in ninjas or whatever.

So you went to college and still had to join the army to get a job? Oh well at least you have a degree in ninjas or whatever.
- Dcoms

Haha I'm an AmeriCorps VISTA. Wrong type of service. But yes, my degrees in ninjas, castles, and knights will take me very far in life. All the way to the fridge from my mom's sofa.

Haha I'm an AmeriCorps VISTA. Wrong type of service. But yes, my degrees in ninjas, castles, and knights will take me very far in life. All the way to the fridge from my mom's sofa.
- Victoro311

poop no biology of dragons?! what kind of B education did you go?

poop no biology of dragons?! what kind of B education did you go?
- martox

I only had the minor, so I didn't have to take that class. It's the orgo of medieval studies. Separates the men from the boys.

Fair enough. He's currently tied for 10th among all defenseman with 17 SOG on the pp, and among that top 10 his 8 missed shot is right around average, Burns has 6, Byfuglien has 7, OEL/Faulk/Subban all have 12 and his 1 pp shot blocked is better than every in the top 10 except for Krug who hasn't had a shot blocked.

So again the myth is still proven to be 100% incorrect, Kris Letang is actually among the elite in the league when it comes to shooting and getting his shots on net while on the powerplay.
- jaydogg1974

This is a biased view of what's going on (and I don't mean homer'ism). Biased in the sense that SOGS and missed shots can concurrently increase/ decrease, as both are a function of shot rate/ volume. Citing absolute numbers does not give the complete picture. I'm late to this convo (west coast). Data from waronice. #58 has accrued 422.73mins of 5v5 and 100.94mins of PP time. sh = saved shots; ms = missed shots; bk = blocked shots; g = goal.

5v5 PP
sh 46 17
ms 8 8
bk 26 6
g 1 0
tot 81 31

As a percentage of #58's individual corsi events (i.e. 81 and 31) during 5v5 his % of ms equals ~10%. During PP mins, it jumps to ~26%. (8/81 and 8/31 respectively). If you smooth #58's individual numbers by TOI/ 60 mins, his rate of ms during 5v5 is ~1.1 and during PP mins, it jumps to ~4.8.

If you exclude bk's and use individual fenwick events, the % of ms for 5v5 equals ~15% and during pp mins it equals ~32% (8/ 81-26) and (8/31-6). Smoothed p/60, unblocked, fenwick events go from 7.8 (5v5) to 15.1 (PP). A factor of almost 2x.

#58 seems to miss the target during the PP........ .

However, the rate of sh (smoothed p/60) increases between 5v5 and PP mins; 6.5 to 10.1. No change however, in bk. It appears as #58's rate of individual corsi events p/60 increases from 11.5 during 5v5 to 18.4 on the PP, so do the SoGs and missed shot attempts.

If anything, one can say #58 has issues getting the puck through (i.e. bk during 5v5 and ms during pp time).

Think about it. We are trading Malkin and Pouliot for Jordan Staal and Shea Weber. I honestly don't think that's a good trade for us.

Jordan Staal is the best in the game at what he does but at 6 mil he's over paid and just as injury prone as Malkin and Crosby. Then we're also taking on Weber's behemoth contract that is surely going to turn into one of the worst in the league in about four years.

We're trading away one of the most cost-effective super stars in the salary cap era and a top 3 defensive prospect in the league who could be ready as soon as the tail end of this season and realistically midway through next season to be a cost controlled staple of our blue line for years to come. This isn't proportional.
- Victoro311

You are right about PIT being on the lower end of the value on that trade but at this point, if they arent going to play Pouliot they should consider moving him. I'm also not in love with trading away Malkin, I'd love to sub in Kessel in a deal like that.

For the next 3-4 years Weber is a huge upgrade over any of the Pens current D and though Stall is a big downgrade from Malkin he is still a solid 2C. Just bored and shooting the poop on trade thoughts.

Any news on Dupuis?

You are right about PIT being on the lower end of the value on that trade but at this point, if they arent going to play Pouliot they should consider moving him. I'm also not in love with trading away Malkin, I'd love to sub in Kessel in a deal like that.

For the next 3-4 years Weber is a huge upgrade over any of the Pens current D and though Stall is a big downgrade from Malkin he is still a solid 2C. Just bored and shooting the poop on trade thoughts.
- MacPatty

People here need to pump the breaks on Pouliot. He's in the developmental stage of his development and he isn't Olli Maatta. He wasn't great last season and he was a disaster during the preseason. He clearly needs to in WBS. So its not like we're giving him the Clendening treatment and just not playing him when he deserves a spot. He legitimately needs time down in the minors.

holy shet horny is freaking ripped. guess he has to live up to his name

Anyone else see scuderi ranked 40th in the all star voting

Anyone else see scuderi ranked 40th in the all star voting
- drummer829

he is 36th now actually

he is 36th now actually
- martox

JR is the only one voting to boost his trade value

You are right about PIT being on the lower end of the value on that trade but at this point, if they arent going to play Pouliot they should consider moving him. I'm also not in love with trading away Malkin, I'd love to sub in Kessel in a deal like that.

For the next 3-4 years Weber is a huge upgrade over any of the Pens current D and though Stall is a big downgrade from Malkin he is still a solid 2C. Just bored and shooting the poop on trade thoughts.
- MacPatty

Jordan Staal is not a solid 2C, He has never been a solid 2C

He is an elite 3C and nothing more. If not for his name he wouldn't have been drafted #2 overall

If he wasn't drafted #2 overall people wouldn't have constantly been calling for him to be a #2 center (which he isn't) and he would never have been paid like a #2 center

The Penguins were the perfect place for Staal. Had he stayed here and made in the neighborhood of 4-4.5 million both him and the Penguins would have benefited. He would have had a great career in a winning environment and the Penguins would likely have had more playoff success and maybe another cup or 2

Instead he's an overpaid bust playing for a loser organization

Jordan Staal is not a solid 2C, He has never been a solid 2C

He is an elite 3C and nothing more. If not for his name he wouldn't have been drafted #2 overall

If he wasn't drafted #2 overall people wouldn't have constantly been calling for him to be a #2 center (which he isn't) and he would never have been paid like a #2 center

The Penguins were the perfect place for Staal. Had he stayed here and made in the neighborhood of 4-4.5 million both him and the Penguins would have benefited. He would have had a great career in a winning environment and the Penguins would likely have had more playoff success and maybe another cup or 2

Instead he's an overpaid bust playing for a loser organization
- TheGame316

Tis a shame. But he got glory early. Can't fault a guy for wanting to make money. In the world we live in, you gotta have the security.

Any news on Dupuis?
- stackthepads

he is ok. he was on the beach trip video. women should see it btw

People here need to pump the breaks on Pouliot. He's in the developmental stage of his development and he isn't Olli Maatta. He wasn't great last season and he was a disaster during the preseason. He clearly needs to in WBS. So its not like we're giving him the Clendening treatment and just not playing him when he deserves a spot. He legitimately needs time down in the minors.
- Victoro311

I agree but it reminds me of the Joe Morrow situation back in the day. Similar player, though Pouliot is definitely more talented. My concern is more the Pens inability to develop young talent.

Again, Malkin is ridiculously good and Pouliot has the potential to be great as well. It's just that the mix of players doesn't seem to be working. The best thing for the Pens would be to unload the likes of Scuderi, Kunitz, Dupuis and Perron (I don't think he will be re-signed) so they can get some fresh blood in and free up some cap space for free agency/trades in the offseason.

Tis a shame. But he got glory early. Can't fault a guy for wanting to make money. In the world we live in, you gotta have the security.
- Victoro311

He signed the exact same contract with Carolina that Shero offered him. He wanted to play with his brother and wanted a larger role apparently. Ironically, It doesn't look like Eric is going to stay there. In hindsight, i'd bet Jordan wishes he stayed here. It's got to suck missing the playoffs every year.

he is ok. he was on the beach trip video. women should see it btw
- martox

Maverick, Goose & Iceman were drinking piña coladas watching!

"You need your goalie to be your best player. When he is good things usually happen"

Hmmm, I wonder what that means???

That's not my quote by the way, a far better hockey person (read that as 'a' hockey person), has his finger prints on that little beauty.

What a crazy thing this hockey is!

We have been beaten by the 3 losing teams at the moment - yes the worst teams in the NHL - all 3, have beaten us! Slipped on Oil, burnt by fire & got rear ended by the Ass Jackets!!

But having played 4 of the top 5 teams, we have beaten 3 of those including the leagues beat at the moment!

Craziest thing is we are sitting 8th with games in hand & have a fan base preparing the plank for half the team & the coach!

Do you think they carried coconuts on the Bounty?? That would be ironic!

What a crazy thing this hockey is!

We have been beaten by the 3 losing teams at the moment - yes the worst teams in the NHL - all 3, have beaten us! Slipped on Oil, burnt by fire & got rear ended by the Ass Jackets!!

But having played 4 of the top 5 teams, we have beaten 3 of those including the leagues beat at the moment!

Craziest thing is we are sitting 8th with games in hand & have a fan base preparing the plank for half the team & the coach!

Do you think they carried coconuts on the Bounty?? That would be ironic!
- Aussiepenguin

Aussie, don't take this in a Richardish way because that's not what I'm trying to do here, but you really need to watch some of the games because you're really missing the point of why some of us are worried. If we played like we did against the Sharks and the Blues night in and night out and dropped a bunch a games and sneaked into the playoffs, it wouldn't be the end of the world because we'd be playing good, hard, aggressive hockey. Even with a low seed, we'd have a shot at making a stink in the playoffs because of the hockey were playing. But that isn't the case. We're playing most games the way we've played against the Blue Jackets and have just happened to win despite our garbage hockey. That poop won't work in the playoffs.

Actually, funny enough, I'd say we're playing traditional Penguins playoff-style hockey right now. This is always how we look during the post season. At least this year if we bomb in the playoffs there won't be any "what happened to us" type of questions. We've been playing like this the whole season.

He signed the exact same contract with Carolina that Shero offered him. He wanted to play with his brother and wanted a larger role apparently. Ironically, It doesn't look like Eric is going to stay there. In hindsight, i'd bet Jordan wishes he stayed here. It's got to suck missing the playoffs every year.
- madmike71

Watch Eric sign here next year. Now THAT would be ironic

Aussie, don't take this in a Richardish way because that's not what I'm trying to do here, but you really need to watch some of the games because you're really missing the point of why some of us are worried. If we played like we did against the Sharks and the Blues night in and night out and dropped a bunch a games and sneaked into the playoffs, it wouldn't be the end of the world because we'd be playing good, hard, aggressive hockey. Even with a low seed, we'd have a shot at making a stink in the playoffs because of the hockey were playing. But that isn't the case. We're playing most games the way we've played against the Blue Jackets and have just happened to win despite our garbage hockey. That poop won't work in the playoffs.

Actually, funny enough, I'd say we're playing traditional Penguins playoff-style hockey right now. This is always how we look during the post season. At least this year if we bomb in the playoffs there won't be any "what happened to us" type of questions. We've been playing like this the whole season.
- Victoro311

Well Vic don't take this the wrong way, but it's only a game! I'm old enough to get over how poop a team I support can play - I'm a coach now so the frustration serves what purpose exactly??

I get poopty when we lose especially to the arse end of town, but the thing is we are still winning games no matter how bad we are playing so points are still being tallied. It's an 82 game season & people here have given up after 10. I just don't see the point in getting frustrated & holding the grudge because next game the team wins & there some good feelings about getting the 2 points for a win.

I have lower expectations than most for this season, because it's unrealistic to think we can change the team so much & have such a young crew together in D & think we can win it all??? Chemistry & experience - experience with playing with the same players for half or 3/4 of a season works wonders to build a winning culture & team.

We are 8th in the league at the moment & there are plenty of very good teams below us. But we want perfection so it's not good enough! Teams are getting bailed out by their goalie every night but when ours does it there's a problem. Sid is not scoring as he has BUT doesn't have to carry the team to wins every night, the team is finding a way when we do win without Sid for the majority - how long has it been since anyone could say that! That in itself is a huge improvement, & before anyone says it, Geno is playing well & that's (frank)in fantastic.

I have watched games thanks to the YouTube streams, but it's middle of the day here & I have a company to run so it's not a great idea to sit down & watch a game I've never played & don't have a grasp of what it feels like to be in!

Although imagine if we were on 20 points??????????? Do you think JR would have a special price on calls to Switzerland??


Edit: You guys know what a Bounty is don't you? As in the chocolate bar?

Lmao Scuderi really is top 50 for ASG voting. Does he not get the hint that he should "medically retire" yet?

Edit: He's #41
- Pens_Burgh

My plan is working