Lots of things to be critical towards this team, and plenty of players to criticize. Let's start with Giroux!

So, by that reasoning, Mark Messier was one of NHL's all-time great leaders for years but then magically morphed into a terrible one since his teams missed the playoffs each and every year for the final seven years of his career.
- bmeltzer

Got REKT by Bill!!!

So, by that reasoning, Mark Messier was one of NHL's all-time great leaders for years but then magically morphed into a terrible one since his teams missed the playoffs each and every year for the final seven years of his career.
- bmeltzer

bill he was way past his prime the last 7 years wouldn't you say?

Shea Weber's team has made the playoffs once in three years. Lost first round. What a horrible captain and player.

Jamie Benn: 5/6 years his team has missed playoffs. Am I the only one who thinks he's massively overrated?

Tavares has made it beyond first round once in his career. What people see in him idk.

Lots of things to be critical towards this team, and plenty of players to criticize. Let's start with Giroux!
- MJL

see that's the thing; Did i startwith Giroux? Did i say he sucks? Did i even say I didn't like him?

Shea Weber's team has made the playoffs once in three years. Lost first round. What a horrible captain and player.

Jamie Benn: 5/6 years his team has missed playoffs. Am I the only one who thinks he's massively overrated?

Tavares has made it beyond first round once in his career. What people see in him idk.
- Mononoke

Bryan Bickell > Claude Giroux

[quote=Nucker101]Got REKT by Bill!!!

Sorry, but I dropped more Napalm than Bill

Shea Weber's team has made the playoffs once in three years. Lost first round. What a horrible captain and player.

Jamie Benn: 5/6 years his team has missed playoffs. Am I the only one who thinks he's massively overrated?

Tavares has made it beyond first round once in his career. What people see in him idk.
- Mononoke

do those other teams have the amount of payroll the flyers do?

Bryan Bickell > Claude Giroux
- Nucker101

Adam Burish > Chris Pronger

[quote=Nucker101]Got REKT by Bill!!!

Sorry, but I dropped more Napalm than Bill

- KINGKENZO

Bill has already hired me as his hype man

Adam Burish > Chris Pronger
- Mononoke

Colin Fraser > Alex Ovechkin

Bill has already hired me as his hype man
- Nucker101

So, youre dream did come true

everything is black and white here never gray.

do those other teams have the amount of payroll the flyers do?
- JoeRussomanno

You can look that up.

But payroll doesn't equal a good team especially in a capped salary world. For all the nonstop female doging on this forum about bad contracts for mediocre players dominating all the cap space, I think that point should be obvious. Vinny makes more than Roman Josi...Vinny must be better.

So, youre dream did come true
- KINGKENZO

bill he was way past his prime the last 7 years wouldn't you say?
- JoeRussomanno

So.... that means his leadership ability deteriorates too right?

You can look that up.

But payroll doesn't equal a good team especially in a capped salary world. For all the nonstop female doging on this forum about bad contracts for mediocre players dominating all the cap space, I think that point should be obvious. Vinny makes more than Roman Josi...Vinny must be better.
- Mononoke

i don't have to look anything up you brought it up. Vinny makes more than players on this team that are better than him so it evens out.

Carolina is on the warpath for matthews. Ain't nobody gonna catch them.

So.... that means his leadership ability deteriorates too right?
- benjichronic

Messier at this point couldn't lead a peewee team to a post game pizza party tbh

So.... that means his leadership ability deteriorates too right?
- benjichronic

indirectly yea... he's still gotta play.

no but does it absolve him from ALL criticism?
- JoeRussomanno

No, but criticism must be applied appropriately

No, but criticism must be applied appropriately
- Scoob

ok then what's an appropriate criticism?

So, by that reasoning, Mark Messier was one of NHL's all-time great leaders for years but then magically morphed into a terrible one since his teams missed the playoffs each and every year for the final seven years of his career.
- bmeltzer

[Ralph Kramden] He's a bum! [/Ralph Kramden]

bill he was way past his prime the last 7 years wouldn't you say?
- JoeRussomanno

So's Jagr. I guess he's not a leader either.

ok then what's an appropriate criticism?
- JoeRussomanno

You're attributing team failures to one player. That's not appropriate.