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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 3 @ 10:55 AM ET
Maybe they should bring up Morin then, at least for a practice. And, if he happens to run into Vinny, at full steam, from behind, well...poop happens
- BiggE


At least Vinny could go out as an injured player instead of washed up
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 3 @ 10:55 AM ET
If Claude Giroux was a real captain, he'd do it himself.
- jmatchett383

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 3 @ 10:55 AM ET
At least Vinny could go out as an injured player instead of washed up
- PhillySportsGuy


Yup, LTIR is our friend
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 3 @ 10:58 AM ET
Theres no way a team would take him on a two year deal. The Flyers forward depth is truly terrible and they can't even find a spot for him. Finding a team that would take him on a two year deal that he would also accept a trade to is impossible. Just need to ride this thing out IMO
- PhillySportsGuy


If he doesnt accept a trade to anywhere then he should never suit up for an NHL game again. I think there is still a chance he could go to like 2 or 3 teams at max salary retention...but it is highly doubtful, and if the reports were true that Hextall turned down a retained salary trade, it will be a mistake in hindsight
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 3 @ 11:00 AM ET
a game here and there and rotating in. they haven't been sat because of their performance imo. just part of the rotation. what about Shultz, he hasn't looked good?
- rinaldo


I agree. I was just answering your question.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 3 @ 11:01 AM ET
I agree. I was just answering your question.
- jmatchett383

all good
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 3 @ 11:01 AM ET
a game here and there and rotating in. they haven't been sat because of their performance imo. just part of the rotation. what about Shultz, he hasn't looked good?
- rinaldo


No doubt Schultz is not as good of a player as we would like, but I would say he has done what he has been asked to do for the most part
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 3 @ 11:04 AM ET
No doubt Schultz is not as good of a player as we would like, but I would say he has done what he has been asked to do for the most part
- YuenglingJagr


I'm gonna go ahead and disagree, but I will caveat that he's not suited to do what he's been asked to do.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 11:04 AM ET
Read-Couturier-Simmonds has been, by far, their best possession line and they are finally scoring as well. Why would you break them up now?
- BiggE

it's really Simmonds scoring
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Dec 3 @ 11:05 AM ET
Bill,

What's a realistic timeframe to see Lindblom stateside playing professionally?
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 3 @ 11:05 AM ET
No doubt Schultz is not as good of a player as we would like, but I would say he has done what he has been asked to do for the most part
- YuenglingJagr

he hasn't been held accountable for his poor play imo.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 3 @ 11:06 AM ET
No doubt Schultz is not as good of a player as we would like, but I would say he has done what he has been asked to do for the most part
- YuenglingJagr


I read a very good article which talked about how Schultz may not be a good fit for the style Hakstol wants the dmen to play.

http://alongtheboards.com...inconsistency-a-constant/

Schultz, Schenn and Manning have had difficulty being aggressive at the blue-line for different reasons. Schenn is willing to do so, but his poor foot-speed means he has no room for error, he cannot recover if he over-plays the man and gets beat. Manning is also willing to do so, but seemingly makes poor decisions regularly on when and where is best to be aggressive in defending his zone.

Schultz is frankly a player who was simply far better suited to the defensive system the Flyers ran under Berube, which involved a less pro-active way of defending the zone, and relied more on containment. He is an able enough skater, but he has a defense first head on his shoulders, almost 1000 NHL games under his belt and is not helped by having to go up against the best players on opposition teams since Coburn has left. Attacking the blue-line is not ‘his’ game … but it is also understandable why he is at times reluctant to do so when facing the likes of Tavares, Benn, Ovechkin and Nash’s of the world, a tiny error and they will take no prisoners, give no second chances.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 3 @ 11:06 AM ET
How Lecavalier is dealing with this season:

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...with-help-of-son-1.403505

Sorry if leight
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 11:07 AM ET
it's really Simmonds scoring
- JoeRussomanno


Read's been doing a lot of the stuff that makes it possible for the puck to end up on Simmer's stick, in scoring position.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 3 @ 11:08 AM ET
If he doesnt accept a trade to anywhere then he should never suit up for an NHL game again. I think there is still a chance he could go to like 2 or 3 teams at max salary retention...but it is highly doubtful, and if the reports were true that Hextall turned down a retained salary trade, it will be a mistake in hindsight
- YuenglingJagr


Agreed. I was clamoring for them to trade VL after his first season. The writing was on the wall and they should have known it would just get worse. Once they didn't move him that offseason, I knew they'd be stuck with him forever.

As a side, I don't understand why more teams don't retain salary in order to get a better asset. The Flyers aren't going to contend next season either, so why wouldn't they offer to retain salary on Streit if it means getting a better return. Streit at $5M next season seems fair, but Streit at say $3M would be a steal especially with the cap likely remaining the same.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 3 @ 11:09 AM ET
Read's been doing a lot of the stuff that makes it possible for the puck to end up on Simmer's stick, in scoring position.
- Tomahawk


Nah, remember when Simmonds passed himself the puck against the Rangers for that breakaway goal?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 3 @ 11:15 AM ET
Pretty easy to say when you aren't the guy coming over from a different country.
- johndewar


To be fair he is, however, used to being in a situation where English isn't his first language.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 3 @ 11:16 AM ET
Read's been doing a lot of the stuff that makes it possible for the puck to end up on Simmer's stick, in scoring position.
- Tomahawk


Impossible.

Unless each guy on the line is weaving through 5 opposition players by himself to score goals, he can't possibly be a good offensive player.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 3 @ 11:16 AM ET
To be fair he is, however, used to being in a situation where English isn't his first language.
- Scoob


YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 3 @ 11:18 AM ET
I read a very good article which talked about how Schultz may not be a good fit for the style Hakstol wants the dmen to play.

http://alongtheboards.com...inconsistency-a-constant/

- Feanor


Definitely agreed on style. I was very disappointed to see he resigned for 2 years. But Schultz has actually been one of the better Flyer defensemen at in zone defensive coverage. Would certainly love to see him improve at preventing zone entries, and I would also love to see him not play for the Flyers anymore.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
Read's been doing a lot of the stuff that makes it possible for the puck to end up on Simmer's stick, in scoring position.
- Tomahawk


Was also wide open when Coots scored the EN goal
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 11:24 AM ET
Nah, remember when Simmonds passed himself the puck against the Rangers for that breakaway goal?
- Feanor


lol
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
I read a very good article which talked about how Schultz may not be a good fit for the style Hakstol wants the dmen to play.

http://alongtheboards.com...inconsistency-a-constant/

- Feanor


huh...I read* a #fancystats article that detailed, excruciatingly, a theory on why Schultz stays in the lineup.



*more like skimmed. I started reading it but quickly began dozing off due to the #fancystats, so I started skimming to find the point of the article. Interestingly, Bill once wrote that the goalies love the way Schultz plays in the defensive end. I'm sure they didn't use #fancystats to come to their conclusion, though.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
I skimmed it, too. Really all you need to know is there are plenty of dmen around the league who stay in the lineup and despite having a CF% under 45. Like Schultz, they usually get a lot more DZ starts than OZ starts.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
POP QUIZ

Best Flyer to wear #21 jersery. Please choose between the following:

A) Peter Forsberg
B) James van Riemsdyk
C) Dave Brown
D) Other, ___________
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