what a shock

Anyway, I disagree
inthink depending on what's added- it could very well get it done.

You undervaluing oiler players has no more validity than what u see as an overvalue
- Ihateallofu

Why would Arizona or Nashville trade OEL/Jones for the Oilers' 3rd best player? Why wouldn't they hold out for Hall? Plus, other teams will be in the bidding to drive the price up most likely.

I mean yea, a package of RNH and your lottery pick could probably land on those guys. Or RNH and Nurse. But not RNH and a mid-tier piece.

Why would Arizona or Nashville trade OEL/Jones for the Oilers' 3rd best player? Why wouldn't they hold out for Hall? Plus, other teams will be in the bidding to drive the price up most likely.

I mean yea, a package of RNH and your lottery pick could probably land on those guys. Or RNH and Nurse. But not RNH and a mid-tier piece.
- rangerdanger94

so rnh being behind a few players on the oilers chart hurts his value, but jones being behind weber and josi on nashvilles doesn't? of course!! its a one way street cause the oilers are struggling.

it doesn't matter what nuge is to the oilers, only what hed be for the preds. which is their 1c. and hes 22.

teams can have multiple top pairing guys or top centers or whatever. this doesn't mean theyre not that because they might play on the 2nd pairing.


agreed that wed have to add for jones (nuge and nurse for jones is laughable) but it wouldn't take the lottery pick (might do for oel though), but a valuable piece no doubt

again, youre undervalue has no more validity to it than what u see as oiler fans doing the opposite

so rnh being behind a few players on the oilers chart hurts his value, but jones being behind weber and josi on nashvilles doesn't? of course!! its a one way street cause the oilers are struggling.

it doesn't matter what nuge is to the oilers, only what hed be for the preds. which is their 1c. and hes 22.

teams can have multiple top pairing guys or top centers or whatever. this doesn't mean theyre not that because they might play on the 2nd pairing.


agreed that wed have to add for jones (nuge and nurse for jones is laughable) but it wouldn't take the lottery pick (might do for oel though), but a valuable piece no doubt

again, youre undervalue has no more validity to it than what u see as oiler fans doing the opposite
- Ihateallofu

I just don't think RNH is a gamebreaker like Hall is. He's a great player and could finally break 60 points this year, but I'm not sure he's better than a bunch of other 1C/2Cs like a Stepan while Hall is closer to a truly elite player.

I just don't think RNH is a gamebreaker like Hall is. He's a great player and could finally break 60 points this year, but I'm not sure he's better than a bunch of other 1C/2Cs like a Stepan while Hall is closer to a truly elite player.
- rangerdanger94

Hall is most definitely the superior player. He's one of the games best wingers. But I really don't see how this changes much for nuge

Why would it be any different for the oilers? Oh you want that asset instead? Well then, we also want to upgrade our ask

Plus-we deal with someone for nuge, they obviously want a centre. Like Nashville.

I think nuge is on par with many of those you might compare today.
But let's also not forget he's 22 years old. And great defensively.


Imo, put him on a solid squad surrounding him with the players the Preds have, and he blossoms.

He's over 60 and good defensively now being shuffled around.
Put him back between hall and Leon and he's at 70 this year

Hall is most definitely the superior player. He's one of the games best wingers. But I really don't see how this changes much for nuge

Why would it be any different for the oilers? Oh you want that asset instead? Well then, we also want to upgrade our ask

Plus-we deal with someone for nuge, they obviously want a centre. Like Nashville.

I think nuge is on par with many of those you might compare today.
But let's also not forget he's 22 years old. And great defensively.


Imo, put him on a solid squad surrounding him with the players the Preds have, and he blossoms.

He's over 60 and good defensively now being shuffled around.
Put him back between hall and Leon and he's at 70 this year
- Ihateallofu

So would you do RNH and Reinhart for OEL or Jones?

I don't think you follow this team closely. I do and and I told you so was totally necessary.

I don't follow your logic though. Trading an elite player in his prime when you can't win is just solid game theory. It should be done way more often. It's smart business.
- James Tanner

I agree, but in the hyper conservative world of pro sports it just won't happen. Just like way more NFL coaches should go for it on 4th down, or go for 2, but at least it's a little more common now with the PAT pushed back. Tim Murray seems to be the only one with enough balls to make a blockbuster trade when he isn't forced into it. WPG had to get rid of Kane and COL had to get rid of O'Reilly. Murray didn't have to get those guys, but it's good strategy to add pieces you want while subtracting ones you really didn't want in the first place. Whether or not they work out or not, it's still a sound strategy.

So would you do RNH and Reinhart for OEL or Jones?
- Pres.cup

Oel in a heartbeat

Jones, id try pretty hard to attach something from them, for no other reason than we paid a substantial amount for griffin. Need to make the most of assets.
But if they played absolute hardball, decent chance I'd cave

Edmonton's first and Darnell Nurse.
- James_Tanner

Couturier and what else

- smellmyfinger

So, you think only qualified people who are good at their jobs work in the NHL? I could probably easily be a better GM than 10 or so guys who are currently employed.

Hell, my cat Pete would be superior to at least Benning and Maloney.
- James_Tanner

This is honestly a joke and a waste of a blog.
For one, claiming you could be a better GM is a complete joke, Just because you've won 3 Stanley cups in a row on NHL 16 doesn't make you better then any GM now or in NHL history. And talking about trading OEL is also a joke. He's 24 and maybe not even be in his prime. In six years when he's 30 he will still be one of the best d-men in the NHL and will be leading this young future talent in Arizona. Trading him at 24 and getting some draft picks to try and get the same type of player is taking a step backwards. I'm not sure how you even have a blog on this site...

This is honestly a joke and a waste of a blog.
For one, claiming you could be a better GM is a complete joke, Just because you've won 3 Stanley cups in a row on NHL 16 doesn't make you better then any GM now or in NHL history. And talking about trading OEL is also a joke. He's 24 and maybe not even be in his prime. In six years when he's 30 he will still be one of the best d-men in the NHL and will be leading this young future talent in Arizona. Trading him at 24 and getting some draft picks to try and get the same type of player is taking a step backwards. I'm not sure how you even have a blog on this site...
- Bigalow

Well just so you know, Jimmy Tan Tan is of the opinion that experience doesn't count for anything, and thus shouldn't even be considered when the Coyotes are choosing between him and another candidate with years of experience in an NHL teams front office.

As for why he has a blog, that's simple, got you to read it and 8 pages of comments so far. If anything he generates site hits.

Defensement peak later and their peak can last longer (e.g. Lidstrom, Bourque, Duncan Keith, even Larry Murphy who was not elite remained a top pairing guy into his thirties...). Selling high makes sense, but so does building your team around a guy who starting last year will be a perennial Norris Trophy candidate.

I agree, but in the hyper conservative world of pro sports it just won't happen. Just like way more NFL coaches should go for it on 4th down, or go for 2, but at least it's a little more common now with the PAT pushed back. Tim Murray seems to be the only one with enough balls to make a blockbuster trade when he isn't forced into it. WPG had to get rid of Kane and COL had to get rid of O'Reilly. Murray didn't have to get those guys, but it's good strategy to add pieces you want while subtracting ones you really didn't want in the first place. Whether or not they work out or not, it's still a sound strategy.
- Wetbandit1

When you're DFL by a mile, you pretty much HAVE to make changes. It's not guts on Murray's part, it' common sense. The Sabres rightly stopped viewing Myers as that monster he was earlier on, but as part of the problem, which is something the Oilers and their fans seem to refuse to do with the players that have been there for a pretty long time now and, despite some occasionally gaudy numbers a few years ago, are clearly leading them nowhere.

So would you do RNH and Reinhart for OEL or Jones?
- Pres.cup

Personally I would do that and im a fan of Nuge but the reality is moving forward our top 2 centers will be McDavid and Drai...so if we get the chance to turn Nuge and another piece like say Reinhart into a top pairing guy then why not?

Personally I would do that and im a fan of Nuge but the reality is moving forward our top 2 centers will be McDavid and Drai...so if we get the chance to turn Nuge and another piece like say Reinhart into a top pairing guy then why not?
- RatedR80

Ahhh. You really have that much faith in me coach?

Ahhh. You really have that much faith in me coach?
- leonkennedy

You werent supposed to read that but yes ok ill admit that I do

This blog was complete garbage

So would you do RNH and Reinhart for OEL or Jones?
- Pres.cup

No poop they would. No brainer.

You werent supposed to read that but yes ok ill admit that I do
- RatedR80

Well normally I wouldn't have, but from time to time I do lurk in Jimmy Tan, Tans threads.

Well normally I wouldn't have, but from time to time I do lurk in Jimmy Tan, Tans threads.
- leonkennedy

You do t bother to read the blogs, do you?

When you're DFL by a mile, you pretty much HAVE to make changes. It's not guts on Murray's part, it' common sense. The Sabres rightly stopped viewing Myers as that monster he was earlier on, but as part of the problem, which is something the Oilers and their fans seem to refuse to do with the players that have been there for a pretty long time now and, despite some occasionally gaudy numbers a few years ago, are clearly leading them nowhere.
- Snowblind

Aside from the fact that this post is surrounded by oiler fans that wanna make a move which completely refutes your post, are u under the impression that one of us is chiarelli lurking on hockeybuzz?

We don't make decisions, we just happen to like the oilers

You do t bother to read the blogs, do you?
- TheIronSheik

I skimmed through this one. Found the part about his cat interesting. Stopped reading after the part where he thinks he could be the GM. The first reason among the couple hundred that he couldn't is that he's a cat person.

This blog was complete garbage
- TheIronSheik

Your comment is really useful and adds so much to the conversation!

Tuukka Rask for OEL

Very good blog today James. You've sparked a lot of healthy debate...even among your most ardent detractors.
- shack67

thanks man.