whew
- -davies-

omg ikrrrr

And why would you want that?

Because you are a Hartnell Fan?

This is why I don't get associated with players. I like the Flyers. They could move Giroux today and as long as it made the Flyers better I could care less.
- J35Bacher

How much less could you care though?

The whole Berube era bothered me. The team lost its personality and leadership when Hartnell was traded. The entire team is just bleh now.

I just think Hartnell's contract gets overblown like he's David (frank)ing Clarkson. This is a guy who was good for 45-55 points just about every season along with strong possession numbers. I also think he was a steadying influence on the team. He's the type of player who would go to the GM or coach to discuss an issue in a blunt, direct way. I feel like getting rid of him was a sign to the players that their opinions didn't matter.

Switch Gudas with Manning
- Streit2ThePoint

Gudas is still suspended.

So if he was with the Flyers and produced at a nice clip where would the flyers be? Still a team with problems and probably drafting later and missing on Provorov because they won a couple more games.
- J35Bacher

What has more value right now, Hartnell or Umberger + 3rd?

omg ikrrrr
- Nucker101

how long do you plan on carrying on like this

Gudas is still suspended.
- MJL

Irrelevant

I know exactly what is going to happen. Hartnell will continue to produce at a nice clip until the final year of his contract when he bottoms out. Everyone on here will talk about how smart Hexy was for trading him as if the previous 4 years never happened.
- PhillySportsGuy

We've had umpteen discussions on this trade. Many are aware and agreed that the Flyers were giving up the best player, and that the deal was made for future cap flexibility, and that it was possible that Hartnell's play could drop off in the later years of his deal.

how long do you plan on carrying on like this
- -davies-

He's just being who God intended him to be.

And it will all just be mental jacking because in the bigger picture it doesn't make a difference anyway.
- Scoob

In the construction of a future contender, it doesn't, but as a fan, I wouldn't have minded sitting through a year or two of bad Hartnell after all he's done for the franchise. I also think they undersold on the asset. While the return of a potential trade may not have amounted to anything, it's still worth mentioning.

He's just being who God intended him to be.
- Streit2ThePoint

Exactly

We've had umpteen discussions on this trade. Many are aware and agreed that the Flyers were giving up the best player, and that the deal was made for future cap flexibility, and that it was possible that Hartnell's play could drop off in the later years of his deal.
- MJL

It's still bad asset management. They sold low on him.

Sounds like tonight it will be

MDZ-MacDonald
Schultz-Medvedev
Manning-Ghost

Then on Thursday it will probably go back to

MDZ-Gudas
Schultz-Medvedev
Manning-Ghost
MacDonald
- Feanor

I think you mean tomorrow

I don't think most people have an issue with Hartnell going as much as what came back. It's not losing Hartnell so much as losing Hartnell and adding Umberger, a player who Columbus was ready to buy out. Seemed like really bad value.

However, if we had Hartnell, our PP and top-line production would likely be better, but that probably translates to a worse lotto pick last year.
- jmatchett383

Maybe. The PP and top line produced more in 14-15 without Hartnell than they did in 13-14.

In 15-16 almost the whole team has been in a funk. Hartnell might have helped them break out of that, or he might have ended up in Hakstol's dog house playing behind VandeVelde.

In the construction of a future contender, it doesn't, but as a fan, I wouldn't have minded sitting through a year or two of bad Hartnell after all he's done for the franchise. I also think they undersold on the asset. While the return of a potential trade may not have amounted to anything, it's still worth mentioning.
- PhillySportsGuy

Easy to say now, but if Hartnell was here, not scoring, and taking bad penalties, guarantee Hartnell would be a scapegoat. The idea that anyone wouldn't mind sitting through a year or two of bad Hartnell is fantasy. We're already seeing how the fans patience as a whole is being tested.

It's still bad asset management. They sold low on him.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think they sold high on him. As in high on drugs. Hextall was literally on drugs when he made the trade.

How much less could you care though?

The whole Berube era bothered me. The team lost its personality and leadership when Hartnell was traded. The entire team is just bleh now.

I just think Hartnell's contract gets overblown like he's David (frank)ing Clarkson. This is a guy who was good for 45-55 points just about every season along with strong possession numbers. I also think he was a steadying influence on the team. He's the type of player who would go to the GM or coach to discuss an issue in a blunt, direct way. I feel like getting rid of him was a sign to the players that their opinions didn't matter.
- PhillySportsGuy

You know Berube was able to take a team that struggled and get them into the playoffs. He was here 2 years. And the same things that plagued that team still plague this team.

I know Hartnell produced. Great. But where were the Flyers going? The whole roster is bad construction. Not enough speed or skill. Also they were looking for the future. They were thinking hartnell would start to decline. And if he stopped scoring it wasn't like he was a strong defensive player or brought another attribute that would allow him to still contribute. I know Hartnell is still producing but was it going to do anything to help them in the future get better.

Hextall was looking 4-5 years down the road when he made that trade. Does it sting now. Maybe. But I think Hextall was looking at taking his lumps now and then seeing the future with players like Provorov, Gostisbehere, Morin, Sanheim, Koenecy, Laughton, Lindholm and the other talent he is trying to bring in.

It's still bad asset management. They sold low on him.
- PhillySportsGuy

Only way to truly know that is to not what other offers there were out there. The other option was to keep him.

It's still bad asset management. They sold low on him.
- PhillySportsGuy

32 year old Scott Hartnell with five years left on his contract did not have a lot of value.

The real problem happened when Holmgren gave him a six year extension instead of four.

I think they sold high on him. As in high on drugs. Hextall was literally on drugs when he made the trade.
- BulliesPhan87

Guarantee most NHL trades are made while both GMs are, at the very least, buzzed

32 year old Scott Hartnell with five years left on his contract did not have a lot of value.

The real problem happened when Holmgren gave him a six year extension instead of four.
- Feanor

He would've had a higher AAV on a 4 year deal.

Guarantee most NHL trades are made while both GMs are, at the very least, buzzed
- PhillySportsGuy

This was a whole other level. Like, forget sky high, Hexy was in orbit.

This was a whole other level. Like, forget sky high, Hexy was in orbit.
- BulliesPhan87

Dude, dude, dude, should I get Umberger back? Like, should I trade for Umberger?

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 6m6 minutes ago
Voracek thinks he'll be on Bellemare's line Tues. Says today won't reflect lines Tues.


lolololololololol

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 6m6 minutes ago
Voracek thinks he'll be on Bellemare's line Tues. Says today won't reflect lines Tues.


lolololololololol
- PhillySportsGuy

Hakstol is poorly managing Voraceks usage if this is the case. Way to kill this guys confidence more than it already is.

If you had to pick a top three to get move who would you guess?
(not a want to move but guys that oculd be gone at TDL or before)
Mine:

1. Read
2a and 2b: Luke and Brayden Schenn
3. Medvedev

Yes. I cheated a little.
- J35Bacher

1. Streit. If Kaberle could get a first, a prospect, and a conditional pick at 800 years old from a rival team, I'd think Streit could get similar or better if healthy.
2. Read. Very good 2-way player, but he's not producing enough for his cap hit and is passing his career prime. Would be a great addition to a contender's 3rd line.
3. Luke Schenn - Big, RHD, 1 year left. Could be a good addition to a bottom-4 if paired with a good puck mover.