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FrmRusiaWifGlov
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Land of Single Malts-- St. Andrews, Scotland
Joined: 03.31.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:25 AM ET
Yeah, it'd be better to send him to San Jose or Calgary, but he's a guy you sell to get a significant return, not a guy you really shop. Only way I'd "shop" Simmonds is to wait until another GM makes an offer, and then maybe start offering him around to drive the price up or start a bidding war.
- Jsaquella

Of course. If Hextall decides he wants to trade Simmonds he might as well create a bidding war. I think some GMs would definitely overpay for Simmond's PP presence and toughness.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:29 AM ET
Think we could get Pavelski for him? After all, Pavelski is one of the few "elite" players in the league.
- jmatchett383


Nope.

I do agree that Pavelski is a great player, and borderline elite.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
Of course. If Hextall decides he wants to trade Simmonds he might as well create a bidding war. I think some GMs would definitely overpay for Simmond's PP presence and toughness.
- FrmRusiaWifGlov


That's the main reason I'd consider moving Simmonds-he's the kind of guy you can usually get another GM to overpay on
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
Of course. If Hextall decides he wants to trade Simmonds he might as well create a bidding war. I think some GMs would definitely overpay for Simmond's PP presence and toughness.
- FrmRusiaWifGlov


That's the main reason I'd consider moving Simmonds-he's the kind of guy you can usually get another GM to overpay on
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
Of course. If Hextall decides he wants to trade Simmonds he might as well create a bidding war. I think some GMs would definitely overpay for Simmond's PP presence and toughness.
- FrmRusiaWifGlov


That's the main reason I'd consider moving Simmonds-he's the kind of guy you can usually get another GM to overpay on
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
Nope.

I do agree that Pavelski is a great player, and borderline elite.

- Jsaquella


Well, he's a much better player than Giroux, for sure. I mean, Giroux never even scored 30 goals in a season.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
Nope.

I do agree that Pavelski is a great player, and borderline elite.

- Jsaquella


He's elite-ish.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
Simmer to Habs rumor picking up supposedly
- arichardson22

Trading Sommonds would be a Hartnell sized mistake.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 9:34 AM ET
Trading Sommonds would be a Hartnell sized mistake.
- SuperSchennBros


Depending on the return, yes.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 7 @ 9:34 AM ET
Well, he's a much better player than Giroux, for sure. I mean, Giroux never even scored 30 goals in a season.
- jmatchett383


Should of had Sanguinetti.
FrmRusiaWifGlov
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Land of Single Malts-- St. Andrews, Scotland
Joined: 03.31.2013

Dec 7 @ 9:37 AM ET
Depending on the return, yes.
- jmatchett383

]Depending on the return, no
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 9:37 AM ET
Fact: The version of "You're a Mean one Mr. Grinch" from the TV special is better than the one on the soundtrack (which is what the always play on the radio).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 9:38 AM ET
]Depending on the return, no
- FrmRusiaWifGlov


True, if maybe.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:44 AM ET
i find this emotion narrative as lazy as the goaltending narrative. The flyers have become a soft team. they beat the penguins alot because theyre soft as well and fleury was an absolute sieve in that series. In the devils series, the devils were strong on their forecheck and didn't give the flyers forwards free reign. if you need emotion roll a goon out there to fight.
- JoeRussomanno[/img]


I can understand emotional letdowns from time to time over the course of a season (for short periods of time) but for this to be a chronic issue for going on five years now seems implausible.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:45 AM ET
Trading Sommonds would be a Hartnell sized mistake.
- SuperSchennBros


Not if they got a good enough return. Trading Recchi turned out fine.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:47 AM ET
Fact: The version of "You're a Mean one Mr. Grinch" from the TV special is better than the one on the soundtrack (which is what the always play on the radio).
- jmatchett383


True fact

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 7 @ 9:48 AM ET
Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, B.Schenn and Mason are my only safe players. If we are giving up on any of these guys, the return better be good.

Read, Raffl, Streit and Schultz are the types I'd like move away from. No hatred towards any of them. I just think Ghost is productive enough to replace Streit and the other guys just aren't productive enough.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
Depending on the return, yes.
- jmatchett383


Depending on the return, no
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 7 @ 9:53 AM ET
Not if they got a good enough return. Trading Recchi turned out fine.
- Jsaquella


As was the Carter and Richards trades but we have missed a pure shooter like Carter ever since. Hartnell haunted us Saturday. Simmonds will too. The contract is too good to give up.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 9:54 AM ET
i find this emotion narrative as lazy as the goaltending narrative. The flyers have become a soft team. they beat the penguins alot because theyre soft as well and fleury was an absolute sieve in that series. In the devils series, the devils were strong on their forecheck and didn't give the flyers forwards free reign. if you need emotion roll a goon out there to fight.
- JoeRussomanno[/img]


Care to explain how they've beaten upper-echelon team like Chicago, NYR, and Nashville, have taken TB, LA, and San Jose to OT, yet can't beat bottom feeding teams like Buffalo, Edmonton, Calgary, NJ, and Colorado?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 9:54 AM ET
Depending on the return, no
- Scoob


As was the Carter and Richards trades but we have missed a pure shooter like Carter ever since. Hartnell haunted us Saturday. Simmonds will too. The contract is too good to give up.
- SuperSchennBros


Simmonds for Connor McDavid and 25 1st rounders

Yes or no?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 7 @ 9:55 AM ET
i find this emotion narrative as lazy as the goaltending narrative. The flyers have become a soft team. they beat the penguins alot because theyre soft as well and fleury was an absolute sieve in that series. In the devils series, the devils were strong on their forecheck and didn't give the flyers forwards free reign. if you need emotion roll a goon out there to fight.
- JoeRussomanno[/img]



Did you watch the Columbus game?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 7 @ 9:56 AM ET
Simmonds for Connor McDavid and 25 1st rounders

Yes or no?

- jmatchett383


Who pays for McDavid's transportation to Philly?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 7 @ 9:56 AM ET
Simmonds for Connor McDavid and 25 1st rounders

Yes or no?

- jmatchett383

Irrelevant. This will never happen.
Andrew_21
Joined: 12.04.2015

Dec 7 @ 9:58 AM ET
This is my first post after lurking around here for a year or more. Bill, thanks for the great work that you have done for a looong time. I read your posts almost every morning and appreciate all the effort. Nobody else comes close. So, thanks.

Agreed on moving Jake back to the top line. What is missing most from his game is confidence. He's got no mojo. Passing from the slot and not making the end runs around d-men on the rush are evidence of this. I think top minutes on the top line is the only way to get that back. He's too valuable an offensive asset, which the Flyers are desperately short on this season, to bury him on the 3rd line for very long.


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