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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:28 AM ET
They aren't going to be contending this year or next year. If someone offers a 1st rounder + decent prospect
- PhillySportsGuy


Simmonds is worth more than that assuming the 1st is from a top 10 team. The prospect needs to be really good, like McCarron in Montreal.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:29 AM ET
Nope. Not a Stafford fan, and while Morrissey is good, I don't think he's any better than Provorov/Sanheim.
- jmatchett383

Yeah I think that ones a no as well. Just trying to spitball more realistic trade scenarios.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 7 @ 10:29 AM ET
I agree with most who are stating that this team is at least a couple of years away from being able to make some noise. We see the impact that Gostisbehere has made, and other young defenseman such as Ristolainen have. Will Provorov make the team next year, and how much of an impact can he make right away? That could accelerate the climb.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 7 @ 10:30 AM ET
Going back to the trade rumor of Simmonds package for Panthers #1 pick , do you make that trade now Looking back?
- arichardson22



What was the rumored package again?

Ekblad looks good. Feel like I would in hindsight.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:30 AM ET
Why does that matter? You make the best deal for your team and franchise. Not because you like a guy. I'd sent him to the worst team in the league if I am getting the best deal.
- J35Bacher


He does have an NTC. But in any case a contender is more likely to overpay for Simmonds than a bottom 10 team.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 7 @ 10:30 AM ET
That'd be anyone with sense. Ehlers has top line potential, could be a 30 goal scorer every year, and Trouba could end up being a franchise type defenseman. If you called Winnipeg and offered Simmonds for them, the only thing you'd hear is laughter and a click
- Jsaquella


I think we'd be looking at a deal similar to what Coburn brought back
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:30 AM ET

- Scoob

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:30 AM ET
I wouldn't trade Simmonds. I already said this.
- SuperSchennBros


You said you would if the deal was lopsided for the Flyers (McDavid + 25 1sts). So, what is the breaking point where you would do it?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:30 AM ET
I agree with most who are stating that this team is at least a couple of years away from being able to make some noise. We see the impact that Gostisbehere has made, and other young defenseman such as Ristolainen have. Will Provorov make the team next year, and how much of an impact can he make right away? That could accelerate the climb.
- MJL


If he's as good as Risto we will be in good shape.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 7 @ 10:31 AM ET
Oh, it can get worse, but I don't think it really matters in the short term.
- PhillySportsGuy


Yeah, that's what I mean. If you're going to finish out of the playoffs this year anyway, it doesn't matter if you're 9th or 16th.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 10:31 AM ET
Going back to the trade rumor of Simmonds package for Panthers #1 pick , do you make that trade now Looking back?
- arichardson22


Depends on the other pieces. Ekblad would look really nice on the backend
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:31 AM ET
I agree with most who are stating that this team is at least a couple of years away from being able to make some noise. We see the impact that Gostisbehere has made, and other young defenseman such as Ristolainen have. Will Provorov make the team next year, and how much of an impact can he make right away? That could accelerate the climb.
- MJL


It would accelerate with signing Zaitsev too
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:31 AM ET
I like Myers, but the deal would have to be bigger since his cap hit is higher than Simmonds.

LSchenn + Simmonds for Myers + something since Simmonds is worth more than Myers

Also, Winnipeg are in danger of missing the playoffs (same Points% as us) and I think it's best to trade Simmonds to a real contender. To get the best value for the Flyers, and cause Simmer deserves it.

- Feanor


I agree there would have to be more, just thinking of a good RHD who may be available.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:32 AM ET
Going back to the trade rumor of Simmonds package for Panthers #1 pick , do you make that trade now Looking back?
- arichardson22


I wasn't "Simmonds for #1."
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 7 @ 10:32 AM ET
It's about time. Should've been with the team all along. May not stay long. Does that cover it?
- MJL

between this post and PLind's we've captured the day's worth of conversation. Everybody is dismissed early today.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 7 @ 10:32 AM ET
Going back to the trade rumor of Simmonds package for Panthers #1 pick , do you make that trade now Looking back?
- arichardson22


Sanheim, Simmonds and Vinny? Was B Schenn included too?

Either way, yes I do
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 10:33 AM ET
I think we'd be looking at a deal similar to what Coburn brought back
- PhillySportsGuy


I think they might be able to get even more. Simmonds has a very friendly contract. He's younger than Coburn at the time of the deal, and isn't coming off a series of injuries.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 7 @ 10:33 AM ET
He does have an NTC. But in any case a contender is more likely to overpay for Simmonds than a bottom 10 team.
- Feanor



I don't think he does. Same with Read.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:34 AM ET
What was the rumored package again?

Ekblad looks good. Feel like I would in hindsight.

- J35Bacher


I think it was Simmonds, Phi 2014 1st and Phi 2015 1st (not lotto protected). So, Ekblad for Simmonds, Sanheim, and Provorov (or possibly better).
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:34 AM ET
I think we'd be looking at a deal similar to what Coburn brought back
- PhillySportsGuy

Call up one of the village idiots, not Yzerman.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:34 AM ET
Sanheim, Simmonds and Vinny? Was B Schenn included too?

Either way, yes I do

- PhillySportsGuy

Same
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 7 @ 10:34 AM ET
Damn you for making me look that up.
- johndewar


A staple of dinosaur rock stations everywhere
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
Sanheim, Simmonds and Vinny? Was B Schenn included too?

Either way, yes I do

- PhillySportsGuy


I think the 2015 1st was included as well. Hextall demanded it be lotto protected and Florida said no.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers
Roster Update: The #Flyers have recalled defenseman Andrew MacDonald from the @LVPhantoms → bit.ly/1lisHHV

Please discuss

- BulliesPhan87


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1D9wWxd2w
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
between this post and PLind's we've captured the day's worth of conversation. Everybody is dismissed early today.
- BulliesPhan87


They needed the body, and hopefully he can play well enough to either make his deal palatable or build trade value. Unless they trade Streit when he comes off LTIR, MacDonald might not be up all that long.
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