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Dec 9 @ 3:08 PM ET
I thought Mason was a bit leaky, myself, but there have been PLENTY of nights where he kept this team in it by himself. Bad nights happen to everyone and this one, frankly, wasn't even that bad, really.
I like our goalies. Let's just leave it like it is. - johndewar
this. zero reason to do anything. we've got it covered.
This Vinny thing is funny. I understand he likes getting the money but if he really wanted to play you think he would try to get out of that deal. They force him to skate and practice knowing full well that injury call ups will play before him.
I just thought he would be a little more eager to walk away and get a chance to play. I have to the hope the Flyers just keep making him practice and continue to play call ups over him. Maybe he eventually just calls it quits and wants to move on or retires.
This Vinny thing is funny. I understand he likes getting the money but if he really wanted to play you think he would try to get out of that deal. They force him to skate and practice knowing full well that injury call ups will play before him.
I just thought he would be a little more eager to walk away and get a chance to play. I have to the hope the Flyers just keep making him practice and continue to play call ups over him. Maybe he eventually just calls it quits and wants to move on or retires. - J35Bacher
If he really wanted to play in the NHL, his best bet would be to waive his NMC and play in the AHL or play in Europe and hope he catches someone's eye in the NHL. I know Europe probably isn't an option, but the AHL is a realistic option.
If he really wanted to play in the NHL, his best bet would be to waive his NMC and play in the AHL or play in Europe and hope he catches someone's eye in the NHL. I know Europe probably isn't an option, but the AHL is a realistic option. - jmatchett383
I think if he and the Flyers mutually terminated he would find a deal somewhere. I really think someone would give him something. I know different players but Zubrus and Scott Gomez were able to get deals. Someone would offer something.
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Dec 9 @ 3:27 PM ET
From Matt Mullin of Philly Voice
And if there's no way to move him, the best option for the Flyers would be if Lecavalier took it upon himself to retire early. They would still owe him the guaranteed money from the 5-year, $22.3 million deal he signed prior to the 2013 season, but it would free up quite a bit of cap space for Holmgren and the Flyers.
This Vinny thing is funny. I understand he likes getting the money but if he really wanted to play you think he would try to get out of that deal. They force him to skate and practice knowing full well that injury call ups will play before him.
I just thought he would be a little more eager to walk away and get a chance to play. I have to the hope the Flyers just keep making him practice and continue to play call ups over him. Maybe he eventually just calls it quits and wants to move on or retires. - J35Bacher
My guess is, his agent went looking for a new deal, but nobody would give him a guarantee. I bet if he could have gotten anyone to agree to 1year, $1.5mm, then Lecavalier would have mutually terminated July 2nd and left faster than Speedy Gonzalez.
He probably got PTO offers, but why walk away from all the cash Comcast owes him for no guarantee? Staying with the Flyers keeps him in the league, getting paid, with NHL caliber workout facilities and medical staff, plus he'd get to play in case of injuries and get paid his full contract.
That's why I don't think he terminates or retires. I doubt anyone guarantees him money or a spot.
Is this true? I always thought when you retire, you don't collect anything else. Or is he just talking about signing bonus money? - PhillySportsGuy
If he retired, for non-medical reasons, he stops getting paid. Guaranteed money only exists if you're fulfilling your side of the deal. You retire, cash stops
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Dec 9 @ 3:32 PM ET
If he retired, for non-medical reasons, he stops getting paid. Guaranteed money only exists if you're fulfilling your side of the deal. You retire, cash stops - Jsaquella
Holmgren and the Flyers will be disappointed to hear
My guess is, his agent went looking for a new deal, but nobody would give him a guarantee. I bet if he could have gotten anyone to agree to 1year, $1.5mm, then Lecavalier would have mutually terminated July 2nd and left faster than Speedy Gonzalez.
He probably got PTO offers, but why walk away from all the cash Comcast owes him for no guarantee? Staying with the Flyers keeps him in the league, getting paid, with NHL caliber workout facilities and medical staff, plus he'd get to play in case of injuries and get paid his full contract.
That's why I don't think he terminates or retires. I doubt anyone guarantees him money or a spot. - Jsaquella
And I understand that.
I bet there is very minimal chance he plays again for the Flyers. If they can they will play call ups over him. That would be my plan. Make him practice, train, travel and never get a sniff. I know the Flyers and Vinny signed the deal but that was a different GM. Hextall has no attachment with Vinny. I would just let him sit and not risk and injury where your forced to LTIR for the remainder of his deal like Pronger.
Holmgren and the Flyers will be disappointed to hear - BulliesPhan87
If he does decide to retire, it likely wont be until after the last signing bonus is paid. Even then, if he's still in limbo, he might decide to just ride out the contract and make his last year of salary.
I bet there is very minimal chance he plays again for the Flyers. If they can they will play call ups over him. That would be my plan. Make him practice, train, travel and never get a sniff. I know the Flyers and Vinny signed the deal but that was a different GM. Hextall has no attachment with Vinny. I would just let him sit and not risk and injury where your forced to LTIR for the remainder of his deal like Pronger. - J35Bacher
The Flyers have no obligation to play him. They both signed a contract and so far, they are both fulfilling the demands of the contract.
I really do feel bad for Vinny the person. He seems like a good guy and he signed the contract expecting to play in the NHL. But that's not happening, and he has options of getting out of the contract which he will not exercise, so I don't feel bad for Vinny the player.
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Dec 9 @ 3:38 PM ET
If he does decide to retire, it likely wont be until after the last signing bonus is paid. Even then, if he's still in limbo, he might decide to just ride out the contract and make his last year of salary. - Jsaquella
I'm hoping he accepts reality and moves on, but I'm bracing for him to dig in and stick out the remainder of his term.
I never watch the Winter Classic "road" shows. Not even when the Flyers played.*
*I don't get HBO. - Scoob
I get HBO and watched when the Flyers were on. It was pretty good, I thought.
I actually feel like the concept is kinda played out, though. The first couple provided some neat moments and had interesting personalities. Ever since the first few (and this goes for that training camp show that HBO does too), it seems like the players are a little too self-aware of the cameras and play a bit to them.
I bet there is very minimal chance he plays again for the Flyers. If they can they will play call ups over him. That would be my plan. Make him practice, train, travel and never get a sniff. I know the Flyers and Vinny signed the deal but that was a different GM. Hextall has no attachment with Vinny. I would just let him sit and not risk and injury where your forced to LTIR for the remainder of his deal like Pronger. - J35Bacher
I think that's exactly what the Flyers are doing. The trouble is, if you play this game of chicken, he stays on your roster and takes a spot. So if you have two short term injuries, then you're stuck playing him or facing putting a guy on IR & forcing him to miss a week, even if he's only out a day or two or worse, the possibility of having to risk a guy to waivers to call someone up
The Flyers have no obligation to play him. They both signed a contract and so far, they are both fulfilling the demands of the contract.
I really do feel bad for Vinny the person. He seems like a good guy and he signed the contract expecting to play in the NHL. But that's not happening, and he has options of getting out of the contract which he will not exercise, so I don't feel bad for Vinny the player. - jmatchett383
That's the art that confuses me a little. I know everyone talks about giving up the money. But can you really be satisfied just practicing, traveling, meetings and all the other stuff knowing your not going to see the ice.
I know everyone on here will bring up the (walking away from millions) line but this is a player that I believe is the highest earning player ever in the NHL due to the Lightening. Also almost everyone will tell you he wasn't playing that last year of the deal.
It's just kind of weird that he prefers to go out like this and not try to go out on his own.
Is this true? I always thought when you retire, you don't collect anything else. Or is he just talking about signing bonus money? - PhillySportsGuy
Yeah, either this is completely wrong, or just poorly worded.
And if there's no way to move him, the best option for the Flyers would be if Lecavalier took it upon himself to retire early. They would still owe him the guaranteed money from the 5-year, $22.3 million deal he signed prior to the 2013 season, but it would free up quite a bit of cap space for Holmgren and the Flyers.
I'm hoping he accepts reality and moves on, but I'm bracing for him to dig in and stick out the remainder of his term. - BulliesPhan87
I'd go to him and say, look, here's my idea: you retire on July 2nd, get the $2mm bonus, then we hire you as assistant to Comcast's VP of promotions in Tampa for $2mm a year. You're office will be your house and you work 1second a year.
If you don't agree, then you're going to be bought out in June and best of luck finding a NHL deal.
I think that's exactly what the Flyers are doing. The trouble is, if you play this game of chicken, he stays on your roster and takes a spot. So if you have two short term injuries, then you're stuck playing him or facing putting a guy on IR & forcing him to miss a week, even if he's only out a day or two or worse, the possibility of having to risk a guy to waivers to call someone up - Jsaquella
I wonder if the Flyers were hoping, maybe not hoping is the right word, but were very interested in this back stiffness. Like was it something that would force him to retire. Not sure if the CBA allows for injury waiver like NFL. LIke come to a settlement. Vinny retires due to back injury but gets some amount of contract.
I'd go to him and say, look, here's my idea: you retire on July 2nd, get the $2mm bonus, then we hire you as assistant to Comcast's VP of promotions in Tampa for $2mm a year. You're office will be your house and you work 1second a year.
If you don't agree, then you're going to be bought out in June and best of luck finding a NHL deal. - Jsaquella
Yeah, either this is completely wrong, or just poorly worded.
And if there's no way to move him, the best option for the Flyers would be if Lecavalier took it upon himself to retire early. They would still owe him the guaranteed money from the 5-year, $22.3 million deal he signed prior to the 2013 season, but it would free up quite a bit of cap space for Holmgren and the Flyers. - Scoob
Step 1: Vinny and Flyers agree to mutually terminate
Step 2: In a totally unrelated move, the Flyers award Vinny the first (and only) "Vinny Lecavalier Mutual Termination Award" which comes with a cash prize of whatever remaining on his now terminated deal.
The Flyers have no obligation to play him. They both signed a contract and so far, they are both fulfilling the demands of the contract.
I really do feel bad for Vinny the person. He seems like a good guy and he signed the contract expecting to play in the NHL. But that's not happening, and he has options of getting out of the contract which he will not exercise, so I don't feel bad for Vinny the player. - jmatchett383
Lecavalier's option all result in him not getting paid & having no guarantee at a NHL job.
If he retires, he's out of the NHL, and the Flyers don't owe him a cent. If he terminates, he's a UFA with no guaranteed NHL job and the Flyers don't owe him a cent.
I'd go to him and say, look, here's my idea: you retire on July 2nd, get the $2mm bonus, then we hire you as assistant to Comcast's VP of promotions in Tampa for $2mm a year. You're office will be your house and you work 1second a year.
If you don't agree, then you're going to be bought out in June and best of luck finding a NHL deal. - Jsaquella
It sounds nice, but he won't be able to play if he retires and/or has a job with the Flyers off-ice staff. See my idea above.
