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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:47 PM ET
I wonder if the Flyers were hoping, maybe not hoping is the right word, but were very interested in this back stiffness. Like was it something that would force him to retire. Not sure if the CBA allows for injury waiver like NFL. LIke come to a settlement. Vinny retires due to back injury but gets some amount of contract.
- J35Bacher


See: Dupuis, Pascal
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:47 PM ET
How many years?
- Scoob


2 years, which gives him pretty much the same cash he'd get from a buyout.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:48 PM ET
I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with... um... splirkumvention
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:48 PM ET
I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with... um... splirkumvention
- BulliesPhan87



ROFL!!!!!!!!!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
It sounds nice, but he won't be able to play if he retires and/or has a job with the Flyers off-ice staff. See my idea above.
- jmatchett383


I think the Vinny Lecavalier Contract Termination Award would end up costing the Flyers significant cap and draft pick penalties for circumvention
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
Lecavalier's option all result in him not getting paid & having no guarantee at a NHL job.

If he retires, he's out of the NHL, and the Flyers don't owe him a cent. If he terminates, he's a UFA with no guaranteed NHL job and the Flyers don't owe him a cent.

- Jsaquella


If he waives his NMC and plays his ass off in the AHL, he has more of a shot at playing in the NHL consistently than he does as a constant healthy scratch.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
If he retired, for non-medical reasons, he stops getting paid. Guaranteed money only exists if you're fulfilling your side of the deal. You retire, cash stops
- Jsaquella


Thought so

(frank)ing Philly Voice
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
Lecavalier's option all result in him not getting paid & having no guarantee at a NHL job.

If he retires, he's out of the NHL, and the Flyers don't owe him a cent. If he terminates, he's a UFA with no guaranteed NHL job and the Flyers don't owe him a cent.

- Jsaquella



I bet you he ends up back with the Lightening in some FO position. So I don't agree with this whole he retires and out of the NHL. He'll be getting a new job and money.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
I think the Vinny Lecavalier Contract Termination Award would end up costing the Flyers significant cap and draft pick penalties for circumvention
- Jsaquella


How so? Totally unrelated move.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:50 PM ET
I get HBO and watched when the Flyers were on. It was pretty good, I thought.

I actually feel like the concept is kinda played out, though. The first couple provided some neat moments and had interesting personalities. Ever since the first few (and this goes for that training camp show that HBO does too), it seems like the players are a little too self-aware of the cameras and play a bit to them.

- johndewar


Yeah, I still go back and watch Pens/Caps and Rangers/Flyers from time to time... such good TV. I'm not surprised they quit after Wings/Leafs... man that one really missed the bar.

The stuff that Epix/NHL has done since has been unwatchable -- it's like a parody of a pale imitation.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:50 PM ET
I bet you he ends up back with the Lightening in some FO position. So I don't agree with this whole he retires and out of the NHL. He'll be getting a new job and money.
- J35Bacher


I think he meant as a player.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:50 PM ET
I bet you he ends up back with the Lightening in some FO position. So I don't agree with this whole he retires and out of the NHL. He'll be getting a new job and money.
- J35Bacher

I think this is all about wanting to be an NHL player.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 3:51 PM ET
what's the announcement?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 3:52 PM ET
I think this is all about wanting to be an NHL player.
- BulliesPhan87

someone needs to tell him
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:52 PM ET
Epix
- Tomahawk


I don't even know what that is.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:52 PM ET
If he waives his NMC and plays his ass off in the AHL, he has more of a shot at playing in the NHL consistently than he does as a constant healthy scratch.
- jmatchett383


And if he goes and continues to suck...I'm not sure I'd agree to go ride busses, play 4 games in five nights in a league known for its physical nature and numerous fights.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:53 PM ET
And if he goes and continues to suck...I'm not sure I'd agree to go ride busses, play 4 games in five nights in a league known for its physical nature and numerous fights.
- Jsaquella


[VL] frank that! [/VL]

And I'd agree with him.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:53 PM ET
I don't even know what that is.
- Scoob



Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:54 PM ET
I bet you he ends up back with the Lightening in some FO position. So I don't agree with this whole he retires and out of the NHL. He'll be getting a new job and money.
- J35Bacher


Out as a player. He'd have to officially retire as a player, file his papers and close the door on that side of things. I'm sure he'd get a job in the league, either in a front office or on camera
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:54 PM ET
And if he goes and continues to suck...I'm not sure I'd agree to go ride busses, play 4 games in five nights in a league known for its physical nature and numerous fights.
- Jsaquella


Then he can continue to rot in the press box and collect his millions of dollars and I will continue to envy his life of luxury and not feel bad for him as a player.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 9 @ 3:55 PM ET
what's the announcement?
- 2Real

Vinny went Christmas shopping in Tampa....I dont care how much money one has because there is always need for more and why would Vinny want to take buses in the AHL to prove himself
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 9 @ 3:55 PM ET
I think he meant as a player.
- jmatchett383



I know that. But people always say if he walks away he won't get money. He'll get another job. Plus it would probably be a nice thing for the Lightening, bring back an old hero into the FO.

Especially if they lose Stamkos.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 9 @ 3:56 PM ET
Then he can continue to rot in the press box and collect his millions of dollars and I will continue to envy his life of luxury and not feel bad for him as a player.
- jmatchett383


I think that's what he's decided to do




He's actually never played in an AHL game
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:56 PM ET
I know that. But people always say if he walks away he won't get money. He'll get another job. Plus it would probably be a nice thing for the Lightening, bring back an old hero into the FO.

Especially if they lose Stamkos.

- J35Bacher


Yes, but he wants to play.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:56 PM ET
I think that's what he's decided to do




He's actually never played in an AHL game

- Jsaquella


Variety is the spice of life.
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