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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 9 @ 1:02 PM ET
that's mean
- JoeRussomanno

(frank) him. If he wants me to say something nice about him, let him retire.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 9 @ 1:03 PM ET
dear, BiggE plz forward this to coaching staff.
- JoeRussomanno



Yeah I wish. The Flyers have cornered the market on 4th liners and 5/6 Dmen
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 9 @ 1:05 PM ET
Mark Fayne waived by the Oilers.

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/828
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 9 @ 1:05 PM ET
(frank) him. If he wants me to say something nice about him, let him retire.
- BiggE



He's not thinking about that kind of thing. Hasn't crossed his mind.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 9 @ 1:12 PM ET
Just wait for my Vinny bombshell tonight.
- Jsaquella

👀
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 9 @ 1:12 PM ET
Mark Fayne waived by the Oilers.

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/828

- Feanor


Trade for amac with retained salary!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 1:12 PM ET


Yeah I wish. The Flyers have cornered the market on 4th liners and 5/6 Dmen

- BiggE


Mark Fayne waived by the Oilers.

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/828

- Feanor


I think the universe is telling us something here...
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 9 @ 1:13 PM ET
Correction......Ek says he's dropping a vinny Bomb in his next blog
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 9 @ 1:17 PM ET
Correction......Ek says he's dropping a vinny Bomb in his next blog
- Just5


Traded for Byfuglien
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 9 @ 1:18 PM ET
Trade for amac
- YuenglingJagr


Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 9 @ 1:20 PM ET
Correction......Ek says he's dropping a vinny Bomb in his next blog
- Just5


son of a biscuit! you made me go look at that
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Dec 9 @ 1:25 PM ET
He is probably pissed off at the Coach for playing third line minutes and I don't blame him. This is just getting ridiculous now. How are you going to get him out of his funk playing on the third line. He was third in scoring last year in the entire league, he obviously has the talent, let him work through this with Giroux.
- Daceroni


Well, he had his chances to prove the coach wrong on PP and in the OT. He did not.
And trust me Roo has been doing his best to set up Jake on PP or 3V 3.

I feel very sorry for him, but he needs to start climbing not digging.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 9 @ 1:32 PM ET
Traded for Byfuglien
- YuenglingJagr

Finally a Big Buff trade proposal I don't hate
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 1:38 PM ET
Correction......Ek says he's dropping a vinny Bomb in his next blog
- Just5

but is it THE vinny bomb
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 9 @ 1:40 PM ET
Mark Fayne waived by the Oilers.

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/828

- Feanor


Kind of an odd move.

I get that Nurse and Davidson are fixtures now... but why push out the guy you've been giving the 2nd-toughest minutes and actually does better than the team avg in shot-diff (#2 rank on the blueline)?

He seems to give up a lot of scoring chances, but interestingly enough, they seem to be of the low-danger variety.

Flyers could do worse than Fayne on the bottom-pair, but yeah, already too many bottom-pair dmen on board. He's like a better RH version of AMac.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 9 @ 1:48 PM ET
He's not better, just cheaper.

http://edmontonjournal.co...n-grade-a-scoring-chances

Not sure where you got the idea the scoring chances he gives up are low danger ones.

One stat highlights Fayne’s woes here, the number of major mistakes he has made on Grade A scoring chances against.

I’ve been involved in hockey analytics since 2007 now, and in that time I’ve increasingly come to believe that the key to sound analytics is to focus on the most crucial aspects of the game and the players most significantly involved in those plays. As a result, this year I’m not only breaking down scoring chances into Grade A and Grade B, as I’ve done in the past, I’m also breaking down the contributions to scoring chances into major and minor categories.

I’m focusing in on the key actions on those key moments on hockey’s kill floor, right in front of the net. Who does the killing there? Who gets slaughtered?

Most often a major contribution is a pass or shot into the slot or in the slot that leads directly to a Grade A scoring chance. A major mistake is a mistake that allows direct access to the slot or a mistake in the slot on a scoring chance. Most often, those mistakes are missed assignments (such as being slow to cover a shooter or passer), turnovers and lost battles.

Fayne has made 43 such major mistakes on Grade A chances in 348 even strength minutes, about 1.9 per game (with a game defined as 15 minutes even strength). That’s the highest rate for a regular d-man on the Oilers this year, with all the other d-man around 0.8 to 1.1 such major defensive mistakes on Grade A even strength chances per game. So they’re only about half as likely to get burned in the slot as he is.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 9 @ 1:54 PM ET
And for those lamenting PEB's many chances to score last night, ponder this: 101 NHL games, 9 goals. He's a very good 4th liner/pk guy, thats it. Expecting any more and you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed.
- BiggE



Totally agree. The problem isn't those players, it's where and how they're using both Vandevelde and Bellemare. Both are fine as 4th line players and on the PK. Start using them as more than that, and there will be issues.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 9 @ 1:55 PM ET
I've heard rumors of what Mason's personal issue is, and I think it's still on his mind and contributing to his inconsistent play. The rumor I heard isn't some kind of scandalous thing, like drugs or anything, but I do think it's impacting him.

He sa good goalie, and eventually he's going to be back to his old self. If somebody blew me away, I'd listen, but I still think he rebounds and gets back to being a very good goalie.

- Jsaquella


and what are these rumors you have heard
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 1:56 PM ET
He's not better, just cheaper.

http://edmontonjournal.co...n-grade-a-scoring-chances

Not sure where you got the idea the scoring chances he gives up are low danger ones.

- Feanor


I always thought that "scoring chances" were the most arbitrary stat in the game, let alone trying to break them down and categorize them. Technically, a 190-foot clearing attempt on the PK that trickles on net is a "scoring chance" because you have the chance to score.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 9 @ 1:56 PM ET
has this been discussed yet?
http://www.letsgoflyers.n...-simmonds-and-the-canadi/
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 1:56 PM ET
and what are these rumors you have heard
- arichardson22

i was curious too
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Dec 9 @ 1:56 PM ET
WHAT IS THE VINNY BOMB
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 9 @ 1:57 PM ET
WHAT IS THE VINNY BOMB
- Winning


Who is the Vinny bomb*
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 9 @ 1:58 PM ET
i was curious too
- 2Real


I don't mean to impose but for how hush hush the whole ordeal was its interesting to know
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 9 @ 1:58 PM ET
WHAT IS THE VINNY BOMB
- Winning

he's coming to your house
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