I wonder if he is still hurt, playing very timid
- homiedclown

I read an article about the Oilers a few weeks after Eberle returned for them this year. He said that missing time during Camp, preseason and then a good chunk of the beginning of the regular season is hard to cope with. He said that his timing was off, his skating was a step behind, and he just wasn't used to the rigorousness of the NHL schedule and games at that point.

I would imagine that Bogo is suffering from the exact same type of things, and as a Dman, it's a lot harder to cope with because of the amount of minutes and stuff that's expected of them. It just seems to me, and I said it a week or two ago, that he's a step behind a lot, which for him isn't normal being that his skating is one of his strong suits usually.

I know.

Don't remind me.
- BuffaloHardHat

Good morning, Hat.

(Again)

I read an article about the Oilers a few weeks after Eberle returned for them this year. He said that missing time during Camp, preseason and then a good chunk of the beginning of the regular season is hard to cope with. He said that his timing was off, his skating was a step behind, and he just wasn't used to the rigorousness of the NHL schedule and games at that point.

I would imagine that Bogo is suffering from the exact same type of things, and as a Dman, it's a lot harder to cope with because of the amount of minutes and stuff that's expected of them. It just seems to me, and I said it a week or two ago, that he's a step behind a lot, which for him isn't normal being that his skating is one of his strong suits usually.
- HonkFortheGoose

stop making sense

stop making sense
- Michael Pachla

Let the water hold me up.

In to the blue again,

Once in a lifetime!!!

Let the water hold me up.

In to the blue again,

Once in a lifetime!!!
- Der Kaiser

there is water at the bottom of the ocean

I never expected him to be a difference maker, but

I did expect him to provide stability to the blue line and free up the ice for his partner, which he is not doing at all
- homiedclown

I agree with this .

I read an article about the Oilers a few weeks after Eberle returned for them this year. He said that missing time during Camp, preseason and then a good chunk of the beginning of the regular season is hard to cope with. He said that his timing was off, his skating was a step behind, and he just wasn't used to the rigorousness of the NHL schedule and games at that point.

I would imagine that Bogo is suffering from the exact same type of things, and as a Dman, it's a lot harder to cope with because of the amount of minutes and stuff that's expected of them. It just seems to me, and I said it a week or two ago, that he's a step behind a lot, which for him isn't normal being that his skating is one of his strong suits usually.
- HonkFortheGoose

Another good reason to cut his minutes for now

Let's get some perspective here

-I read an article that a statistician projected the Sabres are likely to finish 30th again this season.

-The Sabres are currently ranked 25th in scoring.

-Pittsburgh is ranked 26th

This team still stinks. The only players I care about watching are Eichel, Risto, Reinhart, O'Reilly, Kane and Ullmark. Everyone else is an largely ineffective plug on a team a long way from being competitive in this league.
- Buffalo--Sabres

And Murray made a lot of moves and gave away a lot of assets for this team to "still stink" as bad as it does.

Right or wrong?

Or does Murray keep getting a pass?

An honest question.

there is water at the bottom of the ocean
- Michael Pachla

Preach, brother!

And Murray made a lot of moves and gave away a lot of assets for this team to "still stink" as bad as it does.

Right or wrong?

Or does Murray keep getting a pass?

An honest question.
- BuffaloHardHat

Ahem

(Which in a way, is like saying "let me clear my throat.")

Another good reason to cut his minutes for now
- sbroads24

This ^

And Murray made a lot of moves and gave away a lot of assets for this team to "still stink" as bad as it does.

Right or wrong?

Or does Murray keep getting a pass?

An honest question.
- BuffaloHardHat

gets pass...this team isn't nearly as bad as it was the last two seasons in the abyss

DFS sites ordered by court to immediately cease operations in NYS.

This ^
- BuffaloHardHat

I'm trying to be nice.

gets pass...this team isn't nearly as bad as it was the last two seasons in the abyss
- Michael Pachla

stop making sense

I don't think they are that bad. Still young and disorganized. They have the talent , just need the coach to put the pieces in the right spots and get the puck into the other teams net. Our team accuracy and finish is not there.
- cabin

I don't believe this team, as it stands can be coached to significant improvement. I just think we have too many middle of the road/unproductive players combined with young players to do anything. Basically if you're not on the list I mentioned, I don't see a future with you here. Unless that future is being a perpetual cellar dweller. Not to say that guys like Foligno, Mcginn and others don't have a place in the league because they do.

Really, ROR has 5pts thru the last 4 games.

I'm pretty happy with that level of production.
- nikel

6 points in the previous 13 games

stop making sense
- Der Kaiser

same as it ever was...same, as, it, ever was

I don't believe this team, as it stands can be coached to significant improvement. I just think we have too many middle of the road/unproductive players combined with young players to do anything. Basically if you're not on the list I mentioned, I don't see a future with you here. Unless that future is being a perpetual cellar dweller. Not to say that guys like Foligno, Mcginn and others don't have a place in the league because they do.
- Buffalo--Sabres

jake mcabe says, "what about me?"

and Pysyk with a furrowed brow says, "Yeah! Me too"

And Murray made a lot of moves and gave away a lot of assets for this team to "still stink" as bad as it does.

Right or wrong?

Or does Murray keep getting a pass?

An honest question.
- BuffaloHardHat

I asked that question and was told I am out of line


IMO the team needs to be close to 80 points for him to be safe

if they are in the low 60's, he should be in trouble

same as it ever was...same, as, it, ever was
- Michael Pachla

(frank)er's ego wrecked a great band

gets pass...this team isn't nearly as bad as it was the last two seasons in the abyss
- Michael Pachla

That was by design though.

Corey Pronman put out an interesting stat on Steven Stamkos.

Based on his WAR rating (wins above replacement) if you were to sign Stamkos, you are only getting 2-3 more wins in the regular season.

So let's factor that in for Eichel, say he goes from good to superstar, that's about 2-3 wins, same with Reinhart and Risto.

There development isn't close to enough to make us contenders. Murray needs to add a few pieces, and he now has pretty bare cupboards

(frank)er's ego wrecked a great band





- homiedclown

My story about that great band includes a chapter with with wonderfully kind Kathy F.

Oh, youth ...

And Murray made a lot of moves and gave away a lot of assets for this team to "still stink" as bad as it does.

Right or wrong?

Or does Murray keep getting a pass?

An honest question.
- BuffaloHardHat

It's too early to make an accurate evaluation of the moves he made though. The results aren't great at first glance, but overall the team is much better than last year. Did they struggle to a point against the powerhouses of the West a few weeks ago? Sure. But they hung in there with them as well. It's progress. It may not be as much progress as you'd like at this point, but you have a team that's pretty much half brand new to the team/city this season and a new coach that actually employs a system.

What we're seeing is exactly what I expected. They're consistently inconsistent, which is the hallmark of a young team.

(frank)er's ego wrecked a great band





- homiedclown

he was the band...nothing against the other members, but they could never wear an oversized suit like he could