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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 5:34 PM ET
Hypothetically what could happen if you offer sheet and got RJ for 7 mil. They get the first second third, then you could turn around and trade a guy like Bo for Vatanen or someone
- VANTEL


Ya it seems like Bo/McCann would be overkill up the middle with RJ, I see your point. Who do we keep out of those two? My vote is Bo, looks to be better two-way guy.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Dec 16 @ 5:40 PM ET
Ya it seems like Bo/McCann would be overkill up the middle with RJ, I see your point. Who do we keep out of those two? My vote is Bo, looks to be better two-way guy.
- neem55


McCann has more natural offensive ability but Bo is a more complete player (at this time at least). It would be a very tough choice. Frankly, I wouldn't want to give up either of them - they're just getting their feet wet in the NHL
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Dec 16 @ 5:41 PM ET
I Would not offer sheet this year.
Our pick will be top 5.
If we were contending, i would consider it (with a lower ranked pick), but it smells of the Kessel for Seguin scenario at this point.

- dbot

an OS is 2017 draft not 2016
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Dec 16 @ 5:48 PM ET
Trade up to 1st overall(somehow) and get Matthews. Screw OS on RJ. OS a Dman like Jones. Don't want to give up a 1st 2nd 3rd? why the hell not. All 3 players may never be as good as the dman we OS and would be lucky that all 3 add up to him when they develop.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 5:56 PM ET
Trade up to 1st overall(somehow) and get Matthews. Screw OS on RJ. OS a Dman like Jones. Don't want to give up a 1st 2nd 3rd? why the hell not. All 3 players may never be as good as the dman we OS and would be lucky that all 3 add up to him when they develop.
- Retinalz


I am in favor of doing it for a d-man, actually. In fact I suggested OS Jones earlier in this thread.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
McCann has more natural offensive ability but Bo is a more complete player (at this time at least). It would be a very tough choice. Frankly, I wouldn't want to give up either of them - they're just getting their feet wet in the NHL
- Zogg


I think for the right D-man (Jones would be ideal) it makes sense to give up McCann. Were deep up the middle. I also think Nashville is old up the middle and that's what it might take.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Dec 16 @ 6:27 PM ET
Edmonton actually has one of the most beautiful river valleys you will ever see.
- LordHumungous


C'mon man, I was just making the easy joke. Edmonton's fine.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 16 @ 6:28 PM ET
Shinkaruk back in the lineup tonight Freisen out lower body
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 16 @ 7:00 PM ET
C'mon man, I was just making the easy joke. Edmonton's fine.
- CubanBuffet

No it's not.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 16 @ 7:21 PM ET
I don't see the point in blowing your wad for a guy who could be past his prime by the time the rest of the team becomes a contender. There's going to be a few lean years ahead of us before we can start puffing our chests out, again. IMHO.
- Marwood


I know its bleak chances (and off the course of the plan anyway), but I am imagining it would be a lot of fun to have Stamkos as Vrbata's replacement on the weak side of the PP. A few more PP goals this year and the team would be contending for a division title this season
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 7:23 PM ET
I know its bleak chances (and off the course of the plan anyway), but I am imagining it would be a lot of fun to have Stamkos as Vrbata's replacement on the weak side of the PP. A few more PP goals this year and the team would be contending for a division title this season
- WhiteLie


that is indeed a White lie good sir
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Dec 16 @ 7:26 PM ET
that is indeed a White lie good sir
- neem55


C'mon.
If you're not even trying to sign a player of Stamkos' ilk in the offseason, you're crazy.
Do i think we'd have a chance? no.
Do i think we should if we could? absolutely.
Do i think he would improve our team immeasurably, providing a 1C, scoring machine and superstar to build around? i do.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 16 @ 7:29 PM ET
C'mon.
If you're not even trying to sign a player of Stamkos' ilk in the offseason, you're crazy.
Do i think we'd have a chance? no.
Do i think we should if we could? absolutely.
Do i think he would improve our team immeasurably, providing a 1C, scoring machine and superstar to build around? i do.

- dbot

While all the teams bottleneck and wait for an answer from Stamkos, the other hot UFAs get scooped up
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 16 @ 7:30 PM ET
No it's not.
- Marwood

lol
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 16 @ 7:31 PM ET
that is indeed a White lie good sir
- neem55


Contending for a division title is different than being any good. Everyone knows the Pacific is poop this year. The team has been in 2nd all season and been garbage, adding a few more PP goals and maybe the team has a few more wins instead of OTL's
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 7:32 PM ET
C'mon.
If you're not even trying to sign a player of Stamkos' ilk in the offseason, you're crazy.
Do i think we'd have a chance? no.
Do i think we should if we could? absolutely.
Do i think he would improve our team immeasurably, providing a 1C, scoring machine and superstar to build around? i do.

- dbot


I was more referring to his comment on how he would make us a contender, as in my view we currently have 2 maybe 3 nhl defensemen on our roster which is of much more concern. At 9 mil per year, I don't think were in a position to justify the move.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 16 @ 7:33 PM ET
While all the teams bottleneck and wait for an answer from Stamkos, the other hot UFAs get scooped up
- VANTEL


They have that nice negotiating period now, so not much of a chance you'll lose out waiting for others. I think checking in would be worth it given his skill and stature, but also keeping in mind his interest in them likely isn't very high so to prioritize accordingly
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 7:33 PM ET
Contending for a division title is different than being any good. Everyone knows the Pacific is poop this year. The team has been in 2nd all season and been garbage, adding a few more PP goals and maybe the team has a few more wins instead of OTL's
- WhiteLie


LA looks pretty good to me.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 16 @ 7:34 PM ET
I know its bleak chances (and off the course of the plan anyway), but I am imagining it would be a lot of fun to have Stamkos as Vrbata's replacement on the weak side of the PP. A few more PP goals this year and the team would be contending for a division title this season
- WhiteLie

Fair enough but there would be little else to get remotely excited about.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Dec 16 @ 7:56 PM ET
I was more referring to his comment on how he would make us a contender, as in my view we currently have 2 maybe 3 nhl defensemen on our roster which is of much more concern. At 9 mil per year, I don't think were in a position to justify the move.
- neem55


if there is any sort of interest, chance, opportunity to get him, how do you not take a run at a ufa of his ilk who just turned 26?

might be easier to attract a ufa dman with a better lineup

I dont' think we have much of a chance at him but you leave no stone un turned.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 8:14 PM ET
if there is any sort of interest, chance, opportunity to get him, how do you not take a run at a ufa of his ilk who just turned 26?

might be easier to attract a ufa dman with a better lineup

I dont' think we have much of a chance at him but you leave no stone un turned.

- hillbillydeluxe


Definitely true. But it doesn't leave much cap space, as I'm sure he will get 9 or 10 mil.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 16 @ 8:16 PM ET
Hypothetically what could happen if you offer sheet and got RJ for 7 mil. They get the first second third, then you could turn around and trade a guy like Bo for Vatanen or someone
- VANTEL

After the last two trades I don't think Anaheim will ever trade with us again.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 16 @ 8:20 PM ET
LA looks pretty good to me.
- neem55

Yeah but the smell is another story.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Dec 16 @ 8:21 PM ET
Definitely true. But it doesn't leave much cap space, as I'm sure he will get 9 or 10 mil.
- neem55


Burrows has to be moved by the end off the off season. I am not sure if there are any cap strapped teams that would want him, but a team with lots of cap space would likely appreciate his actual salary of 3smil.

And with pending ufa's Prust, Vrbata and Hamhuis, JB should be able to make it work.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 16 @ 8:24 PM ET
Burrows has to be moved by the end off the off season. I am not sure if there are any cap strapped teams that would want him, but a team with lots of cap space would likely appreciate his actual salary of 3smil.

And with pending ufa's Prust, Vrbata and Hamhuis, JB should be able to make it work.

- hillbillydeluxe


But not if the goal in the off-season is to sign d
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