i can't see any team (but particularly the yotes) doing the hawks a favor by taking back bickell in a trade deadline sell-off.
- Tumbleweed

Why not? They have plenty of Cap room and are technically in a rebuild. If taking Bickell, even for just the rest of this year, lands them more prospects / picks, then they are actually the team TO do it.

Bickell probably won't/wouldn't be included, so this is way off (too high). The teams have talked, my info is Bickell would probably go back to Rockford in order for the Hawks to absorb the cap hit this year.
- John Jaeckel

again - that's my point. i can't see the yotes taking bickell back becasue the price would be astronomical.

a 1st and prospect would be very good return to the yotes for boedker straight up.

Speaking of prospects Schmaltz looked more engaged, today at the WJC, than I ever saw him in the USHL, that was a handful of times. He even pushed back once, didn't think he had that in him.

He was noticeable IMO during the 1-0 US loss to the Swedes, who will win Gold.

Why not? They have plenty of Cap room and are technically in a rebuild. If taking Bickell, even for just the rest of this year, lands them more prospects / picks, then they are actually the team TO do it.
- Katana777

cap is never an issue for the yotes.

actual money is. cash is king for a team that is bleeding money and staring at potentially significant relocation costs.

i think the only type of contract dumps the yotes would be open to are i) insurance covered permanent LTIR players and ii) somewhat useful players whose actual salary is less than their cap hit.

edit: and it's not just this year, next year too.

Sleep walked? The Hawks just weren't very good in 2011.
- ArlingtonRob

44-29-9 for 97 pts

"We'll n-e-v-e-r make it" ~ Glum

cap is never an issue for the yotes.

actual money is. cash is king for a team that is bleeding money and staring at potentially significant relocation costs.

i think the only type of contract dumps the yotes would be open to are i) insurance covered permanent LTIR players and ii) somewhat useful players whose actual salary is less than their cap hit.

edit: and it's not just this year, next year too.
- Tumbleweed

Relocating to downtown Phoenix from Glendale is not that costly.

edit: But seriously, look what they did with the Pronger situation. Paying a guy just to get Cap compliant, and getting zip zero on ice production in return. At least Bickell would take an occasional shift.

again - that's my point. i can't see the yotes taking bickell back becasue the price would be astronomical.

a 1st and prospect would be very good return to the yotes for boedker straight up.
- Tumbleweed

Aaaaaand that's sort of the price tag I heard.

44-29-9 for 97 pts

"We'll n-e-v-e-r make it" ~ Glum


- Katana777

Buuuuut, they did just barely squeak in that year with 97 points. Just saying.

Legal costs? The lease agreement was renegotiated last summer.... I believe they only are obligated to play there one more year.

Buuuuut, they did just barely squeak in that year with 97 points. Just saying.
- John Jaeckel

Agreed. But to say they weren't very good in 2011 like Rob did is an exaggeration IMO.

Relocating to downtown Phoenix from Glendale is not that costly.

edit: But seriously, look what they did with the Pronger situation. Paying a guy just to get Cap compliant, and getting zip zero on ice production in return. At least Bickell would take an occasional shift.
- Katana777

plenty of legal costs will be incurred in the move

my understanding of pronger's contract is that it is covered by insurance; so costs the yotes nothing.

even if it isn't, his actual salary is only is only $500k over the next couple years.

Legal costs? The lease agreement was renegotiated last summer.... I believe they only are obligated to play there one more year.
- Katana777

new lease negotiation for the start of 2017 would be the big one ... where ever that is going to be.

plenty of legal costs will be incurred in the move

my understanding of pronger's contract is that it is covered by insurance; so costs the yotes nothing.

even if it isn't, his actual salary is only is only $500k over the next couple years.
- Tumbleweed

That could be true... his Cap hit vs. what they actually pay may be different and beneficial to the team.

Speaking of prospects Schmaltz looked more engaged, today at the WJC, than I ever saw him in the USHL, that was a handful of times. He even pushed back once, didn't think he had that in him.

He was noticeable IMO during the 1-0 US loss to the Swedes, who will win Gold.
- Mr Ricochet

Thought he was noticable VS Canada as well

new lease negotiation for the start of 2017 would be the big one ... where ever that is going to be.
- Tumbleweed

Well if the rumors are true, the Suns and Coyotes will be building a SotA facility on the current land where Talking Stick Resort Arena sits downtown... not sure how long that would take. I am sure Glendale would take any revenue they could get between now and then, as they are completely screwed once the Coyotes leave the Westgate area.

Aaaaaand that's sort of the price tag I heard.
- John Jaeckel

Prospect.. as in someone not on the current parent club?

DEAL!

Agreed. But to say they weren't very good in 2011 like Rob did is an exaggeration IMO.
- Katana777

I wouldn't call it an exaggeration. Like JJ said, 97 points barely got the Hawks into the playoffs. If I'm not mistaken, the Hawks making the playoffs that season hinged on the outcome of a Dallas/Minnesota game - a day after the Hawks played game #82.

Then there was that problem with spotting the 'Nucks the first three games of the Conference Quaterfinals...

I wouldn't call it an exaggeration. Like JJ said, 97 points barely got the Hawks into the playoffs. If I'm not mistaken, the Hawks making the playoffs that season hinged on the outcome of a Dallas/Minnesota game - a day after the Hawks played game #82.

Then there was that problem with spotting the 'Nucks the first three games of the Conference Quaterfinals...
- EKB13

2015 Cup winners: Blackhawks 102 pts
2014 Kings 100 pts
2012 Kings 95 pts
2011 Bruins 103 pts
2009 Penguins 99 pts

I guess its all in each individual's perspective of what is good and what is not.

I wouldn't call it an exaggeration. Like JJ said, 97 points barely got the Hawks into the playoffs. If I'm not mistaken, the Hawks making the playoffs that season hinged on the outcome of a Dallas/Minnesota game - a day after the Hawks played game #82.

Then there was that problem with spotting the 'Nucks the first three games of the Conference Quaterfinals...
- EKB13

Well even though the Hawks lost that series it was fun watching the Canuck fans squirm with each Hawk win.

Well even though the Hawks lost that series it was fun watching the Canuck fans squirm with each Hawk win.


- jhawk159

Well even though the Hawks lost that series it was fun watching the Canuck fans squirm with each Hawk win.


- jhawk159

Heck yeah, 3 straight to take it to game 7, then overtime until Burrows saved their (donkey)

Well even though the Hawks lost that series it was fun watching the Canuck fans squirm with each Hawk win.


- jhawk159

That might have been the most fun on this board . EVER

again - that's my point. i can't see the yotes taking bickell back becasue the price would be astronomical.

a 1st and prospect would be very good return to the yotes for boedker straight up.
- Tumbleweed

IMO Boedker is a rental to the Yotes. He probably will not re-sign as a UFA (he is not Vermette or Michalek - looking for a pre-retirement retirement) as he is a young player.

- Mahoney wants value for players he will lose. Proves it year after year.

- The Yotes do not need to take Bickell here. The Hawks simply need to make the cap space for Boedker. Yotes could simply eat some of Boedker's salary this year and the Hawks could make him fit WITHOUT serious waiver moves (other than Bickell).

- What would getting Austin Matthews do for that franchise? If there is a year the Yotes need to be sellers it would be this year. They may be in 2nd but they are only 5 points from last place in the Pacific and 8 away from last overall.

Boedker probably goes somewhere - obviously a very nice fit here but the Hawks may have to outbid some others for him. Not as great a market for LWs as D men.

I wonder if Nik Grossman could be had in the same package? One would assume he is another name Mahoney will move - UFA after the season but has a LTD NTC.

2015 Cup winners: Blackhawks 102 pts
2014 Kings 100 pts
2012 Kings 95 pts
2011 Bruins 103 pts
2009 Penguins 99 pts

I guess its all in each individual's perspective of what is good and what is not.
- Katana777

How much would that prospective change if Dallas would have actually won that game the day after the Hawks concluded their season, and the Hawks would have not made the playoffs at all?

Even going into that series with the 'Nucks, the Hawks still had the likes of Pisani, Turco, and John Scott on the team. The blueline featured a worn out Boynton and Culimore. There was a very green Marcus Kruger, who had less than 10 games of NHL playing experience in North America under his belt before the playoffs started. Beyond Toews, Ryan Johnson was all Q had to lean on to take critical draws.

...and without the heroics of Ben Smith scoring a couple of critical goals, the Hawks would have been finished and series would have been done in 4, maybe 5 games.

You can cite point comparisons all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that the '10-'11 team was not geared to go all the way.

That might have been the most fun on this board . EVER
- mrpaulish

It was fun because there was a passionate fan base here that rivaled the size of the Hawks fan base.