Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
#Flyers spending nearly 10% of salary cap ($71.4M) on dead space/buried contracts: MacDonald ($4.05M), Gagner ($2.25M), Grossmann ($500K).
- BulliesPhan87

HA! And that doesn't include the $4.5m that will never see another game and $4.6 that should never see another game.

I heard Chip Kelly just interviewed for a job as equipment manager. Only in philly.

HA! And that doesn't include the $4.5m that will never see another game and $4.6 that should never see another game.
- FlyerFan16

Again. Your making to much of it. They need to play better

I'd say it's overblown. Their still able to ice a mediocre team despite all the perceived cap issues
- Just5

God, I hope youre joking.

Because icing a mediocre team is the end goal?

God, I hope youre joking.

Because icing a mediocre team is the end goal?
- hereticpride

the road back to icing a good team is being patient while trying to shed the bad contracts (unloading Pronger for Gagner was a good start) and developing within. It sucks being stuck like this in the shooting for the 8th spot goal but I am very optimistic because of the pool of prospects coming along and knowing they there will be expiring contracts the next few seasons.

Here is what I would like to see happen at the TDL.

If they are in contention for the playoffs...
- Keep Streit until next year unless an offer blows you out of the water. There will always be demand for a Vet Dman with his PP skills. A year off his cap hit could help as well, especially if he can put up some points coming off injury.
- Trade L Schenn, his situation will still be too valuable to not trade him.
- Consider offers for Read, but don't give him away.
-Move one of Schultz or Medvedev. Just because they can make the playoffs doesn't mean we can't keep collecting draft picks. Plenty of time to bring up a guy like Alt or Hagg to fill in 6/7 role for the rest of the season to get some big league experience.

If they are out of the playoffs...
- get everything you can for anyone who you don't see in future plans. Read, B Schenn if the offer is right, L Schenn, Striet any D really besides Gudas, I like him for some reason, might be the beard, but I think he can be a cheap option with some grit.
- Get as many draft picks as possible. Not sure what this years draft is promising, but the more picks we can get gives Hexy more trade chips to move up if there is something really good.
- Clear as much cap space as possible so Vinny's deal next year isn't as big of a pain in the butt that it is. Maybe with another year off the deal Hexy can work some magic and move the contract or everything will go right in the world and Vinny agrees to a mutual termination (not holding my breath). I would also strongly consider buying out Umberger since it will be a minimal cap hit if we really need the room. If not, he's gone after next year so we can suck it up and maybe waive him like Gagner. With Gagner, L Schenn, Grossman, maybe Umberger off the books, replaced with some cheap ELCs, that should make up for Jake's and Coots' raises and give them some more wiggle room.

the road back to icing a good team is being patient while trying to shed the bad contracts (unloading Pronger for Gagner was a good start) and developing within. It sucks being stuck like this in the shooting for the 8th spot goal but I am very optimistic because of the pool of prospects coming along and knowing they there will be expiring contracts the next few seasons.
- nastyflyergirl

a year ago it seemed like getting out of Pronger's contract early was impossible, maybe Hextall's got another trick or two up his sleeve this summer

Again. Your making to much of it. They need to play better
- Just5

I know. And Hextall's not doing enough to improve the team.

a year ago it seemed like getting out of Pronger's contract early was impossible, maybe Hextall's got another trick or two up his sleeve this summer
- BulliesPhan87

If he can make Vinny and AMac's cap hits disappear before next season, he deserves immediate enshrinement in the hall of fame.

Also re the Eagles: as long as clueless Jeffrey and his trusty sidekick Have No Clue Howie are running the show, that franchise is (frank)ed.

Here is what I would like to see happen at the TDL.

If they are in contention for the playoffs...
- Keep Streit until next year unless an offer blows you out of the water. There will always be demand for a Vet Dman with his PP skills. A year off his cap hit could help as well, especially if he can put up some points coming off injury.
- Trade L Schenn, his situation will still be too valuable to not trade him.
- Consider offers for Read, but don't give him away.
-Move one of Schultz or Medvedev. Just because they can make the playoffs doesn't mean we can't keep collecting draft picks. Plenty of time to bring up a guy like Alt or Hagg to fill in 6/7 role for the rest of the season to get some big league experience.

If they are out of the playoffs...
- get everything you can for anyone who you don't see in future plans. Read, B Schenn if the offer is right, L Schenn, Striet any D really besides Gudas, I like him for some reason, might be the beard, but I think he can be a cheap option with some grit.
- Get as many draft picks as possible. Not sure what this years draft is promising, but the more picks we can get gives Hexy more trade chips to move up if there is something really good.
- Clear as much cap space as possible so Vinny's deal next year isn't as big of a pain in the butt that it is. Maybe with another year off the deal Hexy can work some magic and move the contract or everything will go right in the world and Vinny agrees to a mutual termination (not holding my breath). I would also strongly consider buying out Umberger since it will be a minimal cap hit if we really need the room. If not, he's gone after next year so we can suck it up and maybe waive him like Gagner. With Gagner, L Schenn, Grossman, maybe Umberger off the books, replaced with some cheap ELCs, that should make up for Jake's and Coots' raises and give them some more wiggle room.
- Tomfan365

Like all of it. I would just avoid buying out Umberger unless I had to.

Here is what I would like to see happen at the TDL.

If they are in contention for the playoffs...
- Keep Streit until next year unless an offer blows you out of the water. There will always be demand for a Vet Dman with his PP skills. A year off his cap hit could help as well, especially if he can put up some points coming off injury.
- Trade L Schenn, his situation will still be too valuable to not trade him.
- Consider offers for Read, but don't give him away.
-Move one of Schultz or Medvedev. Just because they can make the playoffs doesn't mean we can't keep collecting draft picks. Plenty of time to bring up a guy like Alt or Hagg to fill in 6/7 role for the rest of the season to get some big league experience.

If they are out of the playoffs...
- get everything you can for anyone who you don't see in future plans. Read, B Schenn if the offer is right, L Schenn, Striet any D really besides Gudas, I like him for some reason, might be the beard, but I think he can be a cheap option with some grit.
- Get as many draft picks as possible. Not sure what this years draft is promising, but the more picks we can get gives Hexy more trade chips to move up if there is something really good.
- Clear as much cap space as possible so Vinny's deal next year isn't as big of a pain in the butt that it is. Maybe with another year off the deal Hexy can work some magic and move the contract or everything will go right in the world and Vinny agrees to a mutual termination (not holding my breath). I would also strongly consider buying out Umberger since it will be a minimal cap hit if we really need the room. If not, he's gone after next year so we can suck it up and maybe waive him like Gagner. With Gagner, L Schenn, Grossman, maybe Umberger off the books, replaced with some cheap ELCs, that should make up for Jake's and Coots' raises and give them some more wiggle room.
- Tomfan365

I agree, but you kind just said obvious stuff.

I would buyout Vinny and wouldn't buyout Umberger

Here is what I would like to see happen at the TDL.

If they are in contention for the playoffs...
- Keep Streit until next year unless an offer blows you out of the water. There will always be demand for a Vet Dman with his PP skills. A year off his cap hit could help as well, especially if he can put up some points coming off injury.
- Trade L Schenn, his situation will still be too valuable to not trade him.
- Consider offers for Read, but don't give him away.
-Move one of Schultz or Medvedev. Just because they can make the playoffs doesn't mean we can't keep collecting draft picks. Plenty of time to bring up a guy like Alt or Hagg to fill in 6/7 role for the rest of the season to get some big league experience.

If they are out of the playoffs...
- get everything you can for anyone who you don't see in future plans. Read, B Schenn if the offer is right, L Schenn, Striet any D really besides Gudas, I like him for some reason, might be the beard, but I think he can be a cheap option with some grit.
- Get as many draft picks as possible. Not sure what this years draft is promising, but the more picks we can get gives Hexy more trade chips to move up if there is something really good.
- Clear as much cap space as possible so Vinny's deal next year isn't as big of a pain in the butt that it is. Maybe with another year off the deal Hexy can work some magic and move the contract or everything will go right in the world and Vinny agrees to a mutual termination (not holding my breath). I would also strongly consider buying out Umberger since it will be a minimal cap hit if we really need the room. If not, he's gone after next year so we can suck it up and maybe waive him like Gagner. With Gagner, L Schenn, Grossman, maybe Umberger off the books, replaced with some cheap ELCs, that should make up for Jake's and Coots' raises and give them some more wiggle room.
- Tomfan365

I'd keep Umberger for the final year of his contract, making him the 13th forward or waive him if they need 950K.

I'd consider buying out VLC.

MacDonald has 4 years left after this year, I would see what the market would be for him. I would consider retaining some of the contract if a team is willing to take him. If the Flyers kept 1m, that would make him a 4yr/4m cap hit. I don't know if that would do it.

US steamrolling the Swiss team that took a 2-0 lead against Canada and brought them to the brink of defeat. Love it. (frank) you, Lowry, you nepotist.

Should have sent RJ down instead. Gagner should get claimed IMO. I mean who wouldn't? You need an offensive punch? Grab Gagner for free and if it doesnt work out he is a FA next season. Guy has value where as who would claim Umberger?

Should have sent RJ down instead. Gagner should get claimed IMO. I mean who wouldn't?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Every other team in the league wouldn't.

I agree, but you kind just said obvious stuff.

I would buyout Vinny and wouldn't buyout Umberger
- YuenglingJagr

No I wouldnt buy out Vinny. Sure it reduces the cap hit but it now extends longer. Not worth it IMO. Flyers need to #Dealwithit

If you can deal him and keep 50% that is a whole different ball game as sure the cap hit is more than a buyout but it only lasts as long as his contract does. The deal is front loaded so something like the Pronger deal can be made if he waives his NMC, which at this point he might just to have a chance at playing

I agree, but you kind just said obvious stuff.

I would buyout Vinny and wouldn't buyout Umberger
- YuenglingJagr

Yeah I know, but I'm bored at work and the board has been kind of slow today. Typing that kept me occupied for a little bit.

I would only buy out Umberger if we really needed the space for an FA that could help us. Other than that I'd rather just suck it up for net year or send him to Lehigh.

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 8m8 minutes ago
Umberger says websites that track players' clauses are wrong -- that he has a no-movement clause. That explains why Gagner was sent down

No I wouldnt buy out Vinny. Sure it reduces the cap hit but it now extends longer. Not worth it IMO. Flyers need to #Dealwithit

If you can deal him and keep 50% that is a whole different ball game as sure the cap hit is more than a buyout but it only lasts as long as his contract does. The deal is front loaded so something like the Pronger deal can be made if he waives his NMC, which at this point he might just to have a chance at playing
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Agreed, that's why I would never buy out Vinny. Retaining salary is fine, at the moment his whole salary is dead space anyway so I'd rather have half of that back to play with instead of the whole hit eating popcorn every game.

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 8m8 minutes ago
Umberger says websites that track players' clauses are wrong -- that he has a no-movement clause. That explains why Gagner was sent down
- PhillySportsGuy

That trade gets better by the second.

Yeah I know, but I'm bored at work and the board has been kind of slow today. Typing that kept me occupied for a little bit.

I would only buy out Umberger if we really needed the space for an FA that could help us. Other than that I'd rather just suck it up for net year or send him to Lehigh.
- Tomfan365

Hey man...right there with you lol. I think the ability to be done with Umberger after next season is ideal and though he is highly overpaid, he is still useful.

Vinny is a negative in every aspect and paying him as little as possible is the best case scenario. the extra 917k of dead money is less than an ELC

No I wouldnt buy out Vinny. Sure it reduces the cap hit but it now extends longer. Not worth it IMO. Flyers need to #Dealwithit

If you can deal him and keep 50% that is a whole different ball game as sure the cap hit is more than a buyout but it only lasts as long as his contract does. The deal is front loaded so something like the Pronger deal can be made if he waives his NMC, which at this point he might just to have a chance at playing
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Good luck with that

HA! And that doesn't include the $4.5m that will never see another game and $4.6 that should never see another game.
- FlyerFan16

Flyperbole.

Agreed, that's why I would never buy out Vinny. Retaining salary is fine, at the moment his whole salary is dead space anyway so I'd rather have half of that back to play with instead of the whole hit eating popcorn every game.
- Tomfan365

They would only owe him 2/3 of what they would if he stayed, meaning he no longer counts for a wasted roster spot AND takes up less money. WIN - WIN

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 8m8 minutes ago
Umberger says websites that track players' clauses are wrong -- that he has a no-movement clause. That explains why Gagner was sent down
- PhillySportsGuy

According to the CBA, when a player is traded, movement clauses are voided. A player can request that a movement clause remain intact, in order to accept a trade, and the team trading for the player has to agree to it.