I hope Canuck fans are not going to start a trade for Drouin campaign .
- VANTEL

Nope, because he's coming to TO...

I hope Canuck fans are not going to start a trade for Drouin campaign .
- VANTEL

I would say test the waters for him, but i doubt they trade him if Stamkos doesn't re-sign.

Nope, because he's coming to TO...
- lumlums

Is that to bait Stamkos to come there

I would say test the waters for him, but i doubt they trade him if Stamkos doesn't re-sign.
- Retinalz

He wants out. Hodgson 2.0 without the interfering father.

Is that to bait Stamkos to come there
- VANTEL

What would you be willing to deal in order to get him? he will be a 1st line stud someday, could work well with Boeser's shooting skills. Bo opens it up for them.

Is that to bait Stamkos to come there
- VANTEL

Now you're picking up what I'm throwing down...

What would you be willing to deal in order to get him? he will be a 1st line stud someday, could work well with Boeser's shooting skills. Bo opens it up for them.
- Retinalz

Drouin? I am not a fan

They wouldn't have Mcdavid or Draisatle if they had Schneider though. I'd say we lost that one.
- Retinalz

Hmm,
Very good point!

Well said Benning has done quite well with what he has. Scouting/Drafting/Developing is why Benning is here and it's what we need to do for the next three seasons.
- LordHumungous

He was handed a team in serious decline when he first got here, not to mention the complete lack of a prospect pool from the Nonis and Gillis regimes, BUT, after a year and a half of observation I'm leaning towards he's not very good at his job.

Outside of picking up some good prospects through the draft he's had more missteps that positives ones. He pisses away assets to get what he wants for marginal upgrades and wastes valuable cap space seemingly at will.

His decision to hire a coach that seems lost on more occasions than not is also becoming quite evident. If they sell at the TDL, Willie Desjardins is not the coach to teach young kids the game. Just look to Toronto to see what a difference a tremendous coach can do with less.

All that said, the team was in decline, so despite his unrealistic expectations that this team could still compete, it was never going to happen. And he's made it worse through his trades and acquisitions.

Sorry...

Drouin? I am not a fan
- VANTEL

I am.
Shink + 2nd + something else? I doubt that would be enticing, but Shink has top 6 LW upside just like Drouin.

I am.
Shink + 2nd + something else? I doubt that would be enticing, but Shink has top 6 LW upside just like Drouin.
- Retinalz

If anything I would do Shink straight up. They are the same type player. We already have Baertschi. We have enough smaller type LW forwards.

I am.
Shink + 2nd + something else? I doubt that would be enticing, but Shink has top 6 LW upside just like Drouin.
- Retinalz

Exactly.

In that case, why bother moving Shink plus.

Shink is showing that he's a warrior, highly skilled, plays with heart and probably has the best work-ethic and positive attitude in our entire pro-system.

Would be extremely disappointed if Benning moves him, especially for a discontent, fragile little baby.

He was handed a team in serious decline when he first got here, not to mention the complete lack of a prospect pool from the Nonis and Gillis regimes, BUT, after a year and a half of observation I'm leaning towards he's not very good at his job.

Outside of picking up some good prospects through the draft he's had more missteps that positives ones. He pisses away assets to get what he wants for marginal upgrades and wastes valuable cap space seemingly at will.

His decision to hire a coach that seems lost on more occasions than not is also becoming quite evident. If they sell at the TDL, Willie Desjardins is not the coach to teach young kids the game. Just look to Toronto to see what a difference a tremendous coach can do with less.

All that said, the team was in decline, so despite his unrealistic expectations that this team could still compete, it was never going to happen. And he's made it worse through his trades and acquisitions.

Sorry...
- LeftCoaster

It did happen....

It did happen....
- Delta-Bravo

I meant for a Stanley Cup. Are they competitive, sure, on most nights, not very talented but competitive. Im leaning towards that's not how to remake this roster, which I was kinda on the fence about before...but not anymore.

He was handed a team in serious decline when he first got here, not to mention the complete lack of a prospect pool from the Nonis and Gillis regimes, BUT, after a year and a half of observation I'm leaning towards he's not very good at his job.

Outside of picking up some good prospects through the draft he's had more missteps that positives ones. He pisses away assets to get what he wants for marginal upgrades and wastes valuable cap space seemingly at will.

His decision to hire a coach that seems lost on more occasions than not is also becoming quite evident. If they sell at the TDL, Willie Desjardins is not the coach to teach young kids the game. Just look to Toronto to see what a difference a tremendous coach can do with less.

All that said, the team was in decline, so despite his unrealistic expectations that this team could still compete, it was never going to happen. And he's made it worse through his trades and acquisitions.

Sorry...
- LeftCoaster

You have a lot of good points.

I think he was bang on with the Sutter signing. We picked up a second line centre for 4.3 mil , much cheaper than if we had Kesler.

Sbisa and Dorsett are overplayed. The Vancouver fan base last year were clammering sign Dorsett at any cost. He has slipped in his play since the signing.


You said it yourself there was a big gap in the mid aged talent and Benning had to do something. Forsling hurts, but Baertschi is starting to make progress and Vey since being called back has not looked horrible.

I think with Benning we will know how good or bad he is in three years from now.

If anything I would do Shink straight up. They are the same type player. We already have Baertschi. We have enough smaller type LW forwards.
- VANTEL

You only need 1 big guy on the line.
Drouin-Bo/Matthews-Boeser
X/McCann-Bo-McCann-JV

Looks like a good top 6 in 3 years imo. The X would be based off of us not getting Matthews. If we don't get him I would like to see Chych drafted as we need defense.

I meant for a Stanley Cup. Are they competitive, sure, on most nights, not very talented but competitive. Im leaning towards that's not how to remake this roster, which I was kinda on the fence about before...but not anymore.
- LeftCoaster

Let's see how the rest of this season plays out.

I meant for a Stanley Cup. Are they competitive, sure, on most nights, not very talented but competitive. But I leaning towards that's not how to remake this roster, which I was kinda on the fence about before...but not anymore.
- LeftCoaster

Haven't we been through this before?
I'm also leaning towards the coaching being suspect but,
what's the alternative course?

I totally understand and respect peoples opinions concerning Bennings failures, but i have yet to hear any alternative approach that would seemingly work "better" then what we are currently witnessing.

Its as though the narrative has become a vicious cycle:

"I hate Benning"
Why?
"Because his moves are poop"
What should he have done?
"Not that"
Ok, what would you have done?
"Not that"
...

You only need 1 big guy on the line.
Drouin-Bo/Matthews-Boeser
X/McCann-Bo-McCann-JV

Looks like a good top 6 in 3 years imo. The X would be based off of us not getting Matthews. If we don't get him I would like to see Chych drafted as we need defense.
- Retinalz

Drouin is not big and has not done a lot. He has not scored . His assists were decent last year but he played on the high octane Lightning.

Seriously don't see him as an improvement over Sven.

I meant for a Stanley Cup. Are they competitive, sure, on most nights, not very talented but competitive. Im leaning towards that's not how to remake this roster, which I was kinda on the fence about before...but not anymore.
- LeftCoaster

You also have to remember, that no matter what he wants to do, or we want him to do, FA is always in his ear saying "Playoffs, no matter the cost".

Haven't we been through this before?
I'm also leaning towards the coaching being suspect but,
what's the alternative course?

I totally understand and respect peoples opinions concerning Bennings failures, but i have yet to hear any alternative approach that would seemingly work "better" then what we are currently witnessing.

Its as though the narrative has become a vicious cycle:

"I hate Benning"
Why?
"Because his moves are poop"
What should he have done?
"Not that"
Ok, what would you have done?
"Not that"
...
- Delta-Bravo

Best case scenario is Benning has the ability to evolve and learn from what I'd consider obvious mistakes. Surely he can see the light of day that this team, as constructed, sucks, AND, that Desjardins ice-time and roster moves are questionable at best.

I'm gonna wait until the TDL before I spout-off about things, but, if I were in charge, there'd be a massive house cleaning of players and coaching staff sooner than later.

Best case scenario is Benning has the ability to evolve and learn from what I'd consider obvious mistakes. Surely he can see the light of day that this team, as constructed, sucks, AND, that Desjardins ice-time and roster moves are questionable at best.

I'm gonna wait until the TDL before I spout-off about things, but, if I were in charge, there'd be a massive house cleaning of players and coaching staff sooner than later.
- LeftCoaster

Sounds familiar

You also have to remember, that no matter what he wants to do, or we want him to do, FA is always in his ear saying "Playoffs, no matter the cost".
- Retinalz

I don't know that for a "fact" but yes it quite possible, yet still an assumption. If it is true, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for the next decade...I'm not onboard with that!

Sounds familiar
- VANTEL

I've been doing some research and thinking, I've got some time on my hands and I love the game. I'm now of the opinion I'd tear this sucker down top to bottom.

I've been doing some research and thinking, I've got some time on my hands and I love the game. I'm now of the opinion I'd tear this sucker down top to bottom.
- LeftCoaster

Go full Leaftarded?