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- TheGame316

You suck?

Nylander is 5'11 and came into camp this year at 190lbs.
Marner is 5'11 164lbs, which makes him bigger at draft than Patrick Kane. He's also from a family of late growers... he'll get to 6', 185-190 no problem.
Timashov is only 5'9 but is already over 190lbs.
Dermott is 5'11 but is almost 200lbs.

There's not too many who are worried to be honest. I'd be more worried if there was a lack of skill.
- lumlums

Same with Jordan Subban? He comes from a family of growers, still the runt of the litter.

Virtanen Sucks

Horvat looking like he sucks, at least not as good as he's been hyped

Benning sucks, Trying to win when he should be trying to lose

Did I miss anything?
- TheGame316

Where did you come from? Anyways, you have been flagged

Same with Jordan Subban? He comes from a family of growers, still the runt of the litter.
- Retinalz

Were PK/Malcolm small at draft? I mention this for Marner as it was reported that his brother and father grew many inches after age 18. Sometimes there's just a disparity though (my brother is 5'7 for instance, and I'm 6'1).

For those wondering about the JV decision at the draft.

JV 1 goal 3 assists 19 games. Drafted 6

Nicolaj Ehlers 5 goals 7 assist 37 games Drafted 9

Willian Nylander 0 goals 0 assists 0 games . Drafted 8

Jared McCAnn 7 goals 4 assists 36 games drafted 24 th.
- VANTEL

Solid analysis

Nylander is 5'11 and came into camp this year at 190lbs.
Marner is 5'11 164lbs, which makes him bigger at draft than Patrick Kane. He's also from a family of late growers... he'll get to 6', 185-190 no problem.
Timashov is only 5'9 but is already over 190lbs.
Dermott is 5'11 but is almost 200lbs.

There's not too many who are worried to be honest. I'd be more worried if there was a lack of skill.
- lumlums

We shall see....you need exceptional skill to succeed when you are that small...St Louis, Johnny, Kane. Your little guys aren't in that category. Look at Tyler Johnson, he looked like the next star and he has missed half a season as his body can't hold up

Were PK/Malcolm small at draft? I mention this for Marner as it was reported that his brother and father grew many inches after age 18. Sometimes there's just a disparity though (my brother is 5'7 for instance, and I'm 6'1).
- lumlums

Malcom grew after draft(Benning mentioned his height in an interview when asked about Jordan's height) Can't find anything about PK's height before draft, but his draft position with his play the year of draft suggests he could have been a bit undersized.
gp68 g15 a41 pts56 is the makings for a top 15 Dman at 6ft on draft day. He was taken 2nd round, makes me think a little smaller on draft day.

Can anyone recommend an intelligent hockey board instead of the kuntfarm that is hockeybuzz? I'm not surprised about all the hate because this is the internet, but I'd really enjoy some thoughtful discussion as opposed to throwing poop.

It seems to me like you're expecting JV to be a messiah instead of a contributing member to this hockey team. I'm fairly certain he's good enough to be a member of the canucks (whether thats the first line or the fourth line) for years to come. Yes, it would be ideal if he turned into Todd Bertuzzi, but that level of expectation is extremely hard to live up to.

Jamie Benn currently leads the NHL with 24 goals. He also has 80 hits. If you had to guess how many players have at least half as many goals (12) and at least 80 hits, how many players do you think that is?

Ovi 21G, 109 Hits
Jenner 14G, 108 Hits
Abdelkader 12G, 99 Hits

That's it.

Notable mention to Hartnell (15/79) and Pavelski (20/76)

JV at 19 years old gets 2.79 hits per game and 1.32 shots on goal per game in his rookie season. Why do you give a fuxk if he didn't show up for a junior tournament?

Can anyone recommend an intelligent hockey board instead of the kuntfarm that is hockeybuzz? I'm not surprised about all the hate because this is the internet, but I'd really enjoy some thoughtful discussion as opposed to throwing poop.

It seems to me like you're expecting JV to be a messiah instead of a contributing member to this hockey team. I'm fairly certain he's good enough to be a member of the canucks (whether thats the first line or the fourth line) for years to come. Yes, it would be ideal if he turned into Todd Bertuzzi, but that level of expectation is extremely hard to live up to.

Jamie Benn currently leads the NHL with 24 goals. He also has 80 hits. If you had to guess how many players have at least half as many goals (12) and at least 80 hits, how many players do you think that is?

Ovi 21G, 109 Hits
Jenner 14G, 108 Hits
Abdelkader 12G, 99 Hits

That's it.

Notable mention to Hartnell (15/79) and Pavelski (20/76)

JV at 19 years old gets 2.79 hits per game and 1.32 shots on goal per game in his rookie season. Why do you give a fuxk if he didn't show up for a junior tournament?
- Max.Betts

It's hard to tell if you like him or hate him. I don't know about others, but I see him as a 2nd line 20 goal 180 hits kind of player(not every season but probably a few seasons of that). I would see that as a successful 6th over all power forward type. As I said, i wish JB had traded down to like 9th or 10th as we could have likely gotten him there as well and gotten an extra pick, but oh well. I haven't read any posts saying he is going to be our Conner McJesus(that would be Thatcher Demko for us
jk)
As far as the board you are looking for, this is the most intelligent I have seen thus far. Many Nucks fans here stick to their guns and aren't complete fools. HFboards are more fool than useful, the canucks forums is OK sometimes.

Van:
Edler
2nd

Tampa:
Drouin
Carle
Koekkoek

Would we have interest in this kind of thing?
It would be hard to take on Carle's salary, but Koekkoek looks like he can be top 4 d and Drouin looks like he could solve our future lw dilema.

EDIT: Buy him out in off season would only be 1.8mil/ for 4 years if it came down to it.

Can anyone recommend an intelligent hockey board instead of the kuntfarm that is hockeybuzz? I'm not surprised about all the hate because this is the internet, but I'd really enjoy some thoughtful discussion as opposed to throwing poop.

It seems to me like you're expecting JV to be a messiah instead of a contributing member to this hockey team. I'm fairly certain he's good enough to be a member of the canucks (whether thats the first line or the fourth line) for years to come. Yes, it would be ideal if he turned into Todd Bertuzzi, but that level of expectation is extremely hard to live up to.

Jamie Benn currently leads the NHL with 24 goals. He also has 80 hits. If you had to guess how many players have at least half as many goals (12) and at least 80 hits, how many players do you think that is?

Ovi 21G, 109 Hits
Jenner 14G, 108 Hits
Abdelkader 12G, 99 Hits

That's it.

Notable mention to Hartnell (15/79) and Pavelski (20/76)

JV at 19 years old gets 2.79 hits per game and 1.32 shots on goal per game in his rookie season. Why do you give a fuxk if he didn't show up for a junior tournament?
- Max.Betts

Truthfully, with how big most players are nowadays (especially goalies ala Markstrom, Bishop, etc.) and the fact that they refuse to consider either increasing the size of the rink or better yet, making the goals bigger to compensate for better goalies you aren't going to see a lot of goal scoring happening. Skill is slowly giving away to grease (which has it's place) and the fact that the need to win is trumping development in the CHL means you're getting players that are less Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Bobby Orr and getting more Chris Higgins, Alex Burrows and Chris Tanev. All of whom are serviceable and safe, but otherwise untalented and unremarkable.

We shall see....you need exceptional skill to succeed when you are that small...St Louis, Johnny, Kane. Your little guys aren't in that category. Look at Tyler Johnson, he looked like the next star and he has missed half a season as his body can't hold up
- CanuckDon

In terms of talent? I'd say that Marner and Nylander are for sure. The former is tearing up the OHL at 2.32PPG (2.00 in his draft year), and Nylander is outscoring any other 19 year old to have ever played in the AHL with his current pace. As for Johnson, I wouldn't write him off just yet...

Van:
Edler
2nd

Tampa:
Drouin
Carle
Koekkoek

Would we have interest in this kind of thing?
It would be hard to take on Carle's salary, but Koekkoek looks like he can be top 4 d and Drouin looks like he could solve our future lw dilema.

EDIT: Buy him out in off season would only be 1.8mil/ for 4 years if it came down to it.
- Retinalz

Koekkoek is potentially their best D prospect (and a damn fine one too), and Drouin's talent is undeniable... a 2nd and Edler wouldn't be enough to get even just JD, even with the Carle salary tagged on as a dump...

Virtanen Sucks

Horvat looking like he sucks, at least not as good as he's been hyped

Benning sucks, Trying to win when he should be trying to lose

Did I miss anything?
- TheGame316

Just a few brain cells.

Horvat will be fine as will JV...time dude...time.

Van:
Edler
2nd

Tampa:
Drouin
Carle
Koekkoek

Would we have interest in this kind of thing?
It would be hard to take on Carle's salary, but Koekkoek looks like he can be top 4 d and Drouin looks like he could solve our future lw dilema.

EDIT: Buy him out in off season would only be 1.8mil/ for 4 years if it came down to it.
- Retinalz

WHy on earth would tampa do this deal? Edler and 2nd for just Drouin is questionable.

Truthfully, with how big most players are nowadays (especially goalies ala Markstrom, Bishop, etc.) and the fact that they refuse to consider either increasing the size of the rink or better yet, making the goals bigger to compensate for better goalies you aren't going to see a lot of goal scoring happening. Skill is slowly giving away to grease (which has it's place) and the fact that the need to win is trumping development in the CHL means you're getting players that are less Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Bobby Orr and getting more Chris Higgins, Alex Burrows and Chris Tanev. All of whom are serviceable and safe, but otherwise untalented and unremarkable.
- DariusKnight

Right, because there have been so many Wayne Gretzky's prior to the current generation...

It's a team game. You need a complete team to win. Having generational talent helps but is no guarantee of success (Ovi says Hi)

In terms of talent? I'd say that Marner and Nylander are for sure. The former is tearing up the OHL at 2.32PPG (2.00 in his draft year), and Nylander is outscoring any other 19 year old to have ever played in the AHL with his current pace. As for Johnson, I wouldn't write him off just yet...
- lumlums

They are not close to Kane...perhaps Johnny Hockey. I actually think Nylander will be a fine player I'm just not sold on Marner and I think it's unwise to draft too many prospects of a similar nature.

we win.

They are not close to Kane...perhaps Johnny Hockey. I actually think Nylander will be a fine player I'm just not sold on Marner and I think it's unwise to draft too many prospects of a similar nature.
- CanuckDon

I think that you can never have too much skill... and if i ever had enough to put money on it, I'll go out and say that in five years, both will be outplaying Johnny Gaudreau (and I'm a big fan of that kid)...

I think that you can never have too much skill... and if i ever had enough to put money on it, I'll go out and say that in five years, both will be outplaying Johnny Gaudreau (and I'm a big fan of that kid)...
- lumlums

Nylander I can get on board with marner has to learn it's a team game

I think that you can never have too much skill... and if i ever had enough to put money on it, I'll go out and say that in five years, both will be outplaying Johnny Gaudreau (and I'm a big fan of that kid)...
- lumlums

Nylander looks like that kind of talent, not above Johnny though he's top ten in scoring so don't get greedy you should be happy that you have a equal to a top ten guy, not pretending he is going to be better. Marner just had a mediocre showing on the big stage and is a big maybe, 1/6 games were good and the rest he was coughing up the puck and was invisable.

Nylander looks like that kind of talent, not above Johnny though he's top ten in scoring so don't get greedy you should be happy that you have a equal to a top ten guy, not pretending he is going to be better. Marner just had a mediocre showing on the big stage and is a big maybe, 1/6 games were good and the rest he was coughing up the puck and was invisable.
- neem55

Marner has dominated the OHL over the past 2 seasons, and has boatloads of skill. With a bit of refinement to his game, he is going to be a hell of a player in the pros. One two-week tournament isn't nearly enough to say anything about his future. People put way too much stock into this tournament.

Marner has dominated the OHL over the past 2 seasons, and has boatloads of skill. With a bit of refinement to his game, he is going to be a hell of a player in the pros. One two-week tournament isn't nearly enough to say anything about his future. People put way too much stock into this tournament.
- nucks_94

It's nice he is able to dominate in a league populated by 15-19 year olds. That's how you draft guys, but whether he can bring that to the big boys league is yet to be seen. WJC is a bigger stage than OHL, players/teams are better (hence why Canda is out).

Virtanen Sucks

Horvat looking like he sucks, at least not as good as he's been hyped

Benning sucks, Trying to win when he should be trying to lose

Did I miss anything?
- TheGame316

Me???

In terms of talent? I'd say that Marner and Nylander are for sure. The former is tearing up the OHL at 2.32PPG (2.00 in his draft year), and Nylander is outscoring any other 19 year old to have ever played in the AHL with his current pace. As for Johnson, I wouldn't write him off just yet...
- lumlums

What was Alexandre daigles ppg in his draft year? Jus sayin what ya do in jr....is not transferable to the NHL. 1st rounders flame out all the time