The Ottawa trade was for a goalie coming of a serious injury and a player who was no longer in his prime (not to mention a player older the most cars still on the road). As of right now IMO it was a bad trade. Move Legwand (if you can) and see what Robin does. I would've loved to have seen what buffalo would've done with the pick if they kept it, but hindsight is a mother trucker

Yes, because all other GMs are excellent predictors of injuries. How stupid of him not to be able to see a sprain in his future!
- druryisclutch

It all honesty Lehner has a well documented history of injuries.

Kyle Turris was a #3 pick, and had for a roster player and a draft pick.

I'd give them anybody but Eichel, Reinhart, O'Reilly, Kane, Girgensons, Ristolainen, Bogosian, Pysyk, McCabe and Ullmark...I hate to lose Ennis too.

Send them one of Foligno, Larsson or McGinn (who is UFA this summer, and his brother is in Tampa) plus a 2nd round pick.

I think Moulson could explode down there, but we'd have to retain 50% of his salary.
- DJshnooks[/img]

Too much being asked for 1 player who got sent down to the minors.

I'd give Tampa a 2nd and 3rd rounder for Drouin Nothing more.

I know Ill get creamed for this but since when is that new?? Id start with Girgensons. Hes buried on the depth chart here, and is starting to look like hes already fading out.....so Id tell Tampa. Girgensons OR Ennis....and a cpl of toss ins..

I know Ill get creamed for this but since when is that new?? Id start with Girgensons. Hes buried on the depth chart here, and is starting to look like hes already fading out.....so Id tell Tampa. Girgensons OR Ennis....and a cpl of toss ins..
- Ripped Fuel

Right you are about getting creamed. Wow. Glad you're not Tim Murray. Girgensons has been playing like a beast and he's a big reason why Eichel has been playing better of late. NO WAY would I trade him for a guy being sent down to the minors.

If I traded Girgensons and Ennis. I'd BEST be getting Drouin and Hedman in return.

Right you are about getting creamed. Wow. Glad you're not Tim Murray. Girgensons has been playing like a beast and he's a big reason why Eichel has been playing better of late. NO WAY would I trade him for a guy being sent down to the minors.

If I traded Girgensons and Ennis. I'd BEST be getting Drouin and Hedman in return.
- mattsox

OK...first off...he has THREE goals in half the season. THREE. "Monster" might be a little overstating things. 2. I never ONCE said BOTH....Zee and Ennis. 3. Hes top three talent. top three. you gotta give to get. If you are gonna tell me that Girgensons is going to be a better pro than Drouin, THAT is funny.

And for the record.....if you called Tampa and offer EiCHEL for Hedman straight up...I doubt youd get him.


But thanks for reconfirming why I never post here anymore. I'm sorry, Franson and a 2nd it is..lol

Right you are about getting creamed. Wow. Glad you're not Tim Murray. Girgensons has been playing like a beast and he's a big reason why Eichel has been playing better of late. NO WAY would I trade him for a guy being sent down to the minors.

If I traded Girgensons and Ennis. I'd BEST be getting Drouin and Hedman in return.
- mattsox

Lol....you wouldn't get Hedman alone for those two players. They aren't chumps, but they are very common types that aren't hard to find.

i doubt the Oilers could get Hedman for RNH and Eberle for Hedman alone, and they are far superior to Girgensons and Ennis.

OK...first off...he has THREE goals in half the season. THREE. "Monster" might be a little overstating things. 2. I never ONCE said BOTH....Zee and Ennis. 3. Hes top three talent. top three. you gotta give to get. If you are gonna tell me that Girgensons is going to be a better pro than Drouin, THAT is funny.

And for the record.....if you called Tampa and offer EiCHEL for Hedman straight up...I doubt youd get him.


But thanks for reconfirming why I never post here anymore. I'm sorry, Franson and a 2nd it is..lol
- Ripped Fuel

100%

Lol....you wouldn't get Hedman alone for those two players. They aren't chumps, but they are very common types that aren't hard to find.

i doubt the Oilers could get Hedman for RNH and Eberle for Hedman alone, and they are far superior to Girgensons and Ennis.
- TheIronSheik

So your saying no deal?

So your saying no deal?
- mattsox

Well it's been a little while since teams. Over elite top pair D-Men with age and term on their side for a couple average players , but who knows?

It all honesty Lehner has a well documented history of injuries.
- Jeropotato

No he doesn't. He has lamented how the concussion was the first real injury he's ever had in his career and this high ankle sprain was about as fluky as it comes. I just can't see how anyone can turn this into being 'injury prone.'

I also still don't quite get why so much of the sabres hate comes from EDM fans. You guys won the lotto, be happy. Or are you just mad because you still suck after getting 4 of 6 #1 picks? Maybe the 5th one's the charm and you get a defenceman?

Lastly, How's Cam Talbot working out for you? For someone criticizing a Sabres trade that's played a grand total of 1 period.

Well it's been a little while since teams. Over elite top pair D-Men with age and term on their side for a couple average players , but who knows?
- TheIronSheik

I get that Hedman > Girgensons and Ennis. But seriously, Who would the Sabres have to trade for such a commodity? I think Murray cashed in all his chips with going trade crazy the past 2 seasons.

The Sabres are at an impass as far as trying to add an influx of talent, other than the draft. Sadly. It's getting to look like it's in their best interest to get a top 4 pick in the 2016 draft and hoping to do so.

Honestly, I don't see Drouin as being worth Gigensons and Ennis in return, for what you get with Girgs gritty play and Ennis who was the teams leading goal scorer a year ago and who has been injured most of this season and who hasn't been on his game has become worth the value of some sticks and pucks.

I get that Hedman > Girgensons and Ennis. But seriously, Who would the Sabres have to trade for such a commodity? I think Murray cashed in all his chips with going trade crazy the past 2 seasons.

The Sabres are at an impass as far as trying to add an influx of talent, other than the draft. Sadly. It's getting to look like it's in their best interest to get a top 4 pick in the 2016 draft and hoping to do so.

Honestly, I don't see Drouin as being worth Gigensons and Ennis in return, for what you get with Girgs gritty play and Ennis who was the teams leading goal scorer a year ago and who has been injured most of this season and who hasn't been on his game has become worth the value of some sticks and pucks.
- mattsox

you don't have anyone to trade for hedman.

Right you are about getting creamed. Wow. Glad you're not Tim Murray. Girgensons has been playing like a beast and he's a big reason why Eichel has been playing better of late. NO WAY would I trade him for a guy being sent down to the minors.

If I traded Girgensons and Ennis. I'd BEST be getting Drouin and Hedman in return.
- mattsox

Hedman??
He's worth all three of those players. You're talking about a top pairing Dman that is being looked at as a potential Norris candidate http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=780786

Right you are about getting creamed. Wow. Glad you're not Tim Murray. Girgensons has been playing like a beast and he's a big reason why Eichel has been playing better of late. NO WAY would I trade him for a guy being sent down to the minors.

If I traded Girgensons and Ennis. I'd BEST be getting Drouin and Hedman in return.
- mattsox

Love this thread

Right you are about getting creamed. Wow. Glad you're not Tim Murray. Girgensons has been playing like a beast and he's a big reason why Eichel has been playing better of late. NO WAY would I trade him for a guy being sent down to the minors.

If I traded Girgensons and Ennis. I'd BEST be getting Drouin and Hedman in return.
- mattsox

wow. This is very possibly the worst trade proposal I've ever seen on hockeybuzz.

I get that Hedman > Girgensons and Ennis. But seriously, Who would the Sabres have to trade for such a commodity? I think Murray cashed in all his chips with going trade crazy the past 2 seasons.

The Sabres are at an impass as far as trying to add an influx of talent, other than the draft. Sadly. It's getting to look like it's in their best interest to get a top 4 pick in the 2016 draft and hoping to do so.

Honestly, I don't see Drouin as being worth Gigensons and Ennis in return, for what you get with Girgs gritty play and Ennis who was the teams leading goal scorer a year ago and who has been injured most of this season and who hasn't been on his game has become worth the value of some sticks and pucks.
- mattsox

once again...why let FACTS get in the way of a good story.

1. QUOTE MY POST WHERE I SAID ID TRADE ENNIS AND GIRGENSONS FOR DROUIN.....QUOTE IT!!!!! WHERE DID I SAY THAT...."reading comprehension"...look it up..

2. Glad to see everyone laughing at you for the Hedman for Girgensons and Ennis brilliance.

I know Yzerman's got other fish to fry right now but encouraging the agents of players on entry level deals to start dictating terms to their GMs seems like a bad idea. I wouldn't even consider a trade until the summer and then the offer would have to impress me. Till then JD and his GM agent can enjoy the busrides.

once again...why let FACTS get in the way of a good story.

1. QUOTE MY POST WHERE I SAID ID TRADE ENNIS AND GIRGENSONS FOR DROUIN.....QUOTE IT!!!!! WHERE DID I SAY THAT...."reading comprehension"...look it up..

2. Glad to see everyone laughing at you for the Hedman for Girgensons and Ennis brilliance.
- Ripped Fuel

I know girgensons value is based off of winning puck battles and being hard to play against but if he aint atleast putting up 10 goals a season and 30 points he is easily expendable, intangibles be darned. With that being said i really do like girgensons game alot and drouin only has 6 goals in ~90 nhl games soo the jury is still out on him.

I get that Hedman > Girgensons and Ennis. But seriously, Who would the Sabres have to trade for such a commodity? I think Murray cashed in all his chips with going trade crazy the past 2 seasons.

The Sabres are at an impass as far as trying to add an influx of talent, other than the draft. Sadly. It's getting to look like it's in their best interest to get a top 4 pick in the 2016 draft and hoping to do so.

Honestly, I don't see Drouin as being worth Gigensons and Ennis in return, for what you get with Girgs gritty play and Ennis who was the teams leading goal scorer a year ago and who has been injured most of this season and who hasn't been on his game has become worth the value of some sticks and pucks.
- mattsox

Yeah i think your confusing people bcz from reading ur post it sounds like your saying girgenson and ennis for drouin is a bad deal and i think everyone can agree to that. i think what ur really trying to say is girgenson or ennis for drouin is a bad deal which could be debateable. For a supposed premiere playmaking winger drouin has only 6 goals in ~90 nhl games and 1 season where he had a ton of secondary assists. Where as ennis has hit the 20 goal mark and girgenson has intangibles. Not trying to put words in your mouth but is this what you mean?

The Sabres need good players right now. I wouldn't give up Girgensons for Drouin if it's my call. Girgensons and Eichel on the same line are worth too much to me right now. His intangibles are worth more to me then a player headed to the AHL. I'm not Tim Murray, Idk what he thinks about deal. Maybe he would do it. I wouldn't.

As far as Hedman trade remark, my point is, I should be getting that type of player in return for Girgensons. I'm not saying that's going to get that deal done. But to me Girgensons value is WAY higher to me than Drouin's value. If I were to part with Girgs, I'd personally want a Hedman type player coming back to me.

Again, I'm not a GM, I don't make the trades, but I hold Girgensons value at a premium on par with a Hedman. That doesn't make it right or wrong. Just MY OPINION.

If you want to take hits at me go ahead if it makes you feel better. I have no ego to bruise. IMO you're way undervaluing Girgensons.

OK...first off...he has THREE goals in half the season. THREE. "Monster" might be a little overstating things. 2. I never ONCE said BOTH....Zee and Ennis. 3. Hes top three talent. top three. you gotta give to get. If you are gonna tell me that Girgensons is going to be a better pro than Drouin, THAT is funny.

And for the record.....if you called Tampa and offer EiCHEL for Hedman straight up...I doubt youd get him.


But thanks for reconfirming why I never post here anymore. I'm sorry, Franson and a 2nd it is..lol
- Ripped Fuel

I'm glad you can read a stat sheet, but how about actually watching a game.

You are severely underrating what Girgensons does for this team. His point production may not be there this season, but the energy, the checking, the PK, the leadership, the motivation, etc, all those intangibles are worth tons. Especially for a former 3rd overall pick getting sent to the minors due to work ethic and production issues.

If you don't see that, then you don't understand the sport, and your opinion means nothing.

Also, no way is Franson and a 2nd getting it done.

once again...why let FACTS get in the way of a good story.

1. QUOTE MY POST WHERE I SAID ID TRADE ENNIS AND GIRGENSONS FOR DROUIN.....QUOTE IT!!!!! WHERE DID I SAY THAT...."reading comprehension"...look it up..

2. Glad to see everyone laughing at you for the Hedman for Girgensons and Ennis brilliance.
- Ripped Fuel

You didn't. You made a suggestion and people on these sites just go off on anyone offering something that they feel they can rip apart while most of the time not offering up an idea of their own.
My thought here would be to send Moulson, Larson, 2016 2nd and 4th picks to Tampa for Carle and Drouin. Money matches up in Carle & Moulson and it rids each team of a guy they don't play that may match up better on new teams and for Drouin you give up NHL roster player in Larson and two picks for the Potential while freeing up contracts for future.
I'd trade the whole 2016 draft AFTER #1 for players that can help us now. We have a ton of prospects still.
Get Rychel too! The one thing I wouldn't do though is trade Zemgus! He is part of the solution to get better. Keep him with Eichel. Imagine Eichel, Rychel & Zemgus!

Shut up Garf.

Sabres fans won't tolerate another 30th place finish? You honestly think trading for Drouin is gonna change that? He's proved absolutely nothing since he was drafted. The guy is Mackinnon made. He would make zero difference for us. We aren't tanking this year. We are just bad. We are much much better this season then last, but we are still bad.