Nevermind that Drouin is an ace at gaining the zone, and making plays, and transitioning the puck... all things the Flyers have struggled with in recent seasons.

You could go after a 'sniper', but if there's nobody to get the puck in scoring position besides G and Jake, you're probably still having ES and depth of scoring woes.



(with that said, there's really no chance he lands here, if he even gets traded at all)
- Tomahawk

If Voracek is ever moved back to his natural RW position, I think a playmaking LW is definitely a need for the Flyers. The question I have is that if Drouin is an ace at gaining the zone in transition, and making plays, as well as being such an efficient scorer in the NHL level, why was he sent down to the AHL?

Yeah, something like Hamonic, Ho-Sang and the Isles' 2016 1st for Drouin, Carle and a top-60 pick might be feasible.
- Tomahawk

Doesnt Hamonic want to be traded to a western-canada team for personal reasons?

You do get that feeling from him of that he doesn't have to earn a spot in the lineup. He gives off the vibe that because of his talent, he should just be handed a top 6 role. Doesn't work that way.
- PLindbergh31

Before we carve the kid a new one, we should state he won the 1LW job out of camp after a dominant preseason, had six points in the first five games of the season in that slot, got hurt and missed five games, then when he got back in the lineup, it was on the fourth line after he had already won the 1LW job out of camp

Now, I don't know this kid and he might be a whiner, but he didn't get handed a job. He won it, then the coach didn't give it back after he got hurt but was on fire before that

You do get that feeling from him of that he doesn't have to earn a spot in the lineup.
- PLindbergh31

I think his (and his agent's) position is that he's already earned a spot UP the lineup ten times over... much less a spot in the lineup at all.

If Voracek is ever moved back to his natural RW position, I think a playmaking LW is definitely a need for the Flyers. The question I have is that if Drouin is an ace at gaining the zone in transition, and making plays, as well as being such an efficient scorer in the NHL level, why was he sent down to the AHL?
- MJL

Whiney little Stevie Y

...why was he sent down to the AHL?
- MJL

They don't want to lose Marchessault to waivers.

I think his (and his agent's) position is that he's already earned a spot UP the lineup ten times over... much less a spot in the lineup at all.
- Tomahawk

That's pretty much what they're saying

If Voracek is ever moved back to his natural RW position, I think a playmaking LW is definitely a need for the Flyers. The question I have is that if Drouin is an ace at gaining the zone in transition, and making plays, as well as being such an efficient scorer in the NHL level, why was he sent down to the AHL?
- MJL

Yeah I don't know what is up with Drouin. A lot was made that Cooper loves his boys, Kucherov, Johnson and Palat since he had them in AHL so Drouin doesn't feel he is getting a fair shake. I have seen it mentioned where that is also reason Stamkos seems to have a problem because of the insistent that he plays wing so Johnson can play the middle. Just things I read. No personal knowledge.

For me. I would take a chance because he does have skill but the deal would have to be right. But being the pick he was it's probably going to costs too much

Doesnt Hamonic want to be traded to a western-canada team for personal reasons?
- jak521

Yeah, forgot about that.

Before we carve the kid a new one, we should state he won the 1LW job out of camp after a dominant preseason, had six points in the first five games of the season in that slot, got hurt and missed five games, then when he got back in the lineup, it was on the fourth line after he had already won the 1LW job out of camp

Now, I don't know this kid and he might be a whiner, but he didn't get handed a job. He won it, then the coach didn't give it back after he got hurt but was on fire before that
- AllInForFlyers

Look at the kids icetime. He's averaging 14 a game, and the last two games before his latest injury, he played 15 and 16 minutes.

I think his (and his agent's) position is that he's already earned a spot UP the lineup ten times over... much less a spot in the lineup at all.
- Tomahawk

Well why isn't Cooper playing him? Seems like he would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.

They don't want to lose Marchessault to waivers.
- Tomahawk

And that would be a guy I would try to get if he was on waivers.

They don't want to lose Marchessault to waivers.
- Tomahawk

So they sent down an efficient scorer at the NHL level who is an ace at moving the puck in transition and making plays, to avoid losing another player to waivers? The players current level of play, had nothing to do with it?

Sanheim may need a full AHL season. The style he plays in Calgary needs to be toned down and adjusted a bit so that he's joining the rush but not leading it. He's actually NOT that bad defensively -- quick stick, decent angles -- but he could stand to use his size better and back in a little less in one-on-one battles.
- bmeltzer

There's a solid top 5 defense already under contract for the Phantoms next season.

Morin-Hagg
Marti-Sanheim
Pettersson

Before we carve the kid a new one, we should state he won the 1LW job out of camp after a dominant preseason, had six points in the first five games of the season in that slot, got hurt and missed five games, then when he got back in the lineup, it was on the fourth line after he had already won the 1LW job out of camp

Now, I don't know this kid and he might be a whiner, but he didn't get handed a job. He won it, then the coach didn't give it back after he got hurt but was on fire before that
- AllInForFlyers

Screw everyone. If Drouin can be had in a reasonable deal I make that move.

Well why isn't Cooper playing him? Seems like he would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.
- PLindbergh31

Might be a personality thing. TB reporter said it started last season, Cooper might have embarrassed him publicly about his defense

So they sent down an efficient scorer at the NHL level who is an ace at moving the puck in transition and making plays, to avoid losing another player to waivers? The players current level of play, had nothing to do with it?
- MJL

Probably a combination of factors.

Hit some turbulence (and injuries) on-ice, never got his responsibilities back after that. Off-ice, he's the only waiver-exempt forward they have, I believe.

Well why isn't Cooper playing him? Seems like he would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.
- PLindbergh31

It's probably a combination of Drouin's sense of entitlement coupled with Cooper just trusting certain players over others. Especially players he has a history with.

It's not uncommon to see a coach fall in love with some players at the expense of other players.

That said, Drouin has not covered himself in glory in this situation, either, from the perspective of taking care of his own business on his end.

Might be a personality thing. TB reporter said it started last season, Cooper might have embarrassed him publicly about his defense
- AllInForFlyers

Idk. A coach not playing one of the franchises best players doesn't make much sense to me. The Lightning made it to the SCF last year, and Drouin wasn't playing in a large majority of the playoff games. I don't know what is going on with Drouin.

Might be a personality thing. TB reporter said it started last season, Cooper might have embarrassed him publicly about his defense
- AllInForFlyers

If that's what it's about then the kid has to toughen up and grow a thicker skin.

There's a solid top 5 defense already under contract for the Phantoms next season.

Morin-Hagg
Marti-Sanheim
Pettersson
- Feanor

I love Pettersson and all, but I don't think you can slot him as a top-6 guy next year, especially with Alt, Marti, and Wilcox (and possibly Manning) to contend with. I'd like him to be in the top-6, but he could find himself a #7/ECHL-bound.

It's not uncommon to see a coach fall in love with some players at the expense of other players.
- johndewar

At least that never happens here w/ Hak.

Screw everyone. If Drouin can be had in a reasonable deal I make that move.
- hereticpride

Well, yes. But what's reasonable? If they offer him for a 4th rounder, of course you do it.

It's not uncommon to see a coach fall in love with some players at the expense of other players.
- johndewar

What the Vandevelde are you Manning talking about?

At least that never happens here w/ Hak.
- Tomahawk