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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 4 @ 11:31 AM ET
Easily the best option we have.
- SuperSchennBros


Tsn analysts taking about provorov and just raving. Said that Wilson might want to know who he is and then later saying that provorov has been a superstar for Russia so far this tourney. High praise. I wonder if Hextall has been impressed seeing him live.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 4 @ 11:32 AM ET
Doesn't mean Drouin will either.
- MJL


You're right. There are no guarantees that Drouin will. It's all a matter of what you think each player's ceiling is. I feel that Drouin has a higher ceiling that Schenn. Others may disagree.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 11:32 AM ET
Yeah, because Brayden Schenn still is an inconsistent player. He always has been. The difference between Droiin and Schenn is that the Flyers have nothing to replace Schenn with.

Someone will score goals if you give them prime opportunities to do so. Schenn's done OK. Nothing special, and yes, I absolutely would try to upgrade him at every opportunity

- AllInForFlyers


That really misses the point in using Schenn as an example
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 11:33 AM ET
Bill, your thoughts on Drouin mirror mine. He very well may be a great NHL player at some point but I really am leery about moving a NHL player (Simmonds) and high picks/prospects for him. and actually if I was Yzerman, I wouldn't move him at this point. The kid needs to go down to Syracuse and earn a call up
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 4 @ 11:33 AM ET
Tsn analysts taking about provorov and just raving. Said that Wilson might want to know who he is and then later saying that provorov has been a superstar for Russia so far this tourney. High praise. I wonder if Hextall has been impressed seeing him live.
- Hextall271


Someone posted something a few days back where Hexy gave his thoughts on the WJC kids. Had nothing but crazy praise for Provorov.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
You're right. There are no guarantees that Drouin will. It's all a matter of what you think each player's ceiling is. I feel that Drouin has a higher ceiling that Schenn. Others may disagree.
- jmatchett383


Potentially wise sure he does but why is that? It's because there is more of a sample size fo Schenn in the NHL and Drouin is still an infant in the league
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
Hey, I understand that we all have our biases and opinions, and that's what makes this board really fun.

But someone is gonna spell it out for me why I should feel grateful to have anyone on this roster who has them closer to 30th overall than a playoff spot.

Brayden Schenn isn't the answer to any question we have about this roster. He's here. I don't rip him like I used to. But he's no solution to any problem we have, and I am sorry that he is not, because we really needed him to be more than he is

- AllInForFlyers


The trouble is, Schenn is just a guy. He's a solid middle six guy, and he's far from a bad player, but he's just a guy. He's reaching the age now where he's in danger of remaining just a guy for the balance of his career. You can only bank that "used to be called the best player outside the NHL" stuff for so long.

He's 24 now, not ancient, but he's still basically the same guy he was two years ago. Just a guy. Still very inconsistent, still prone to disappearing totally when he's not scoring. Subpar defensively, doesn't exactly stand out at anything...just a solid middle six guy.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
Move a player up and he's suddenly playing against higher competition. His p/60 will also be diluted with more ice time. That stat is very misleading and needs to be taken with a grain of salt so to speak.
- MJL


Giving him PP time and elite scorers will dilute his numbers? Why would playing more minutes dilute his pt/60?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 4 @ 11:35 AM ET
Sounds like the lines from the end of the Kings game are sticking. I'm excited to see if Couturier and BSchenn can get something going.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 4 @ 11:35 AM ET
Hey, I understand that we all have our biases and opinions, and that's what makes this board really fun.

But someone is gonna spell it out for me why I should feel grateful to have anyone on this roster who has them closer to 30th overall than a playoff spot.

Brayden Schenn isn't the answer to any question we have about this roster. He's here. I don't rip him like I used to. But he's no solution to any problem we have, and I am sorry that he is not, because we really needed him to be more than he is

- AllInForFlyers

What else is Brayden Schenn suppose to be? Even in the arguments against Schenn, it sounds like you as well as many overrate what you expect of him. We already spent all of last summer having the Schenn vs Saad debate. Schenn came up smelling like a rose on a lesser offensive roster.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 4 @ 11:35 AM ET
Potentially wise sure he does but why is that? It's because there is more of a sample size fo Schenn in the NHL and Drouin is still an infant in the league
- MJL


I (personally) think that B. Schenn is approaching a known quantity, which is a middle 6 winger (who will want a raise next year). I think that Drouin has question marks, but is an unknown quantity (who still has another year on his ELC). Sure Drouin could bust or become a cancer, but I'd take a shot on him. Just my feelings.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 4 @ 11:36 AM ET
Doesn't mean Drouin will either.
- MJL


Put Schenn on the 4th line with no PP minutes and see what happens to his point totals.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 11:36 AM ET
Giving him PP time and elite scorers will dilute his numbers? Why would playing more minutes dilute his pt/60?
- PhillySportsGuy


Simply because it's possible that his point totals don't grow at the rate that his minutes played does. Or is that not a possibility? He already has been given PP time.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 4 @ 11:37 AM ET
I saw 2 people propose that.
- jmatchett383



I proposed Schenn + Cousins.

Right now for Drouin I wouldn't trade any top d prospect or 1st rounder.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 4 @ 11:37 AM ET
Giving him PP time and elite scorers will dilute his numbers? Why would playing more minutes dilute his pt/60?
- PhillySportsGuy


DAMN YOU AND YOUR LOGICAL PROJECTIONS

Drouin can't play because because
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 4 @ 11:38 AM ET
Put Schenn on the 4th line with no PP minutes and see what happens to his point totals.
- PhillySportsGuy


Winner winner chicken dinner
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 4 @ 11:38 AM ET
I proposed Schenn + Cousins.

Right now for Drouin I wouldn't trade any top d prospect or 1st rounder.

- J35Bacher


Right. Most people are proposing Schenn + B prospect/project/2nd rounder types of deals.I've seen 2 people include Schenn with an A prospect.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 4 @ 11:38 AM ET
Tsn analysts taking about provorov and just raving. Said that Wilson might want to know who he is and then later saying that provorov has been a superstar for Russia so far this tourney. High praise. I wonder if Hextall has been impressed seeing him live.
- Hextall271


"Did I make a great draft pick or what?"
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 4 @ 11:38 AM ET
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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
Is Drouin suited for that spot?
- SuperSchennBros


He's best in Jake's spot on the PP, so you have a point there.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
Put Schenn on the 4th line with no PP minutes and see what happens to his point totals.
- PhillySportsGuy


Stop it, you're scaring the children.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
Simply because it's possible that his point totals don't grow at the rate that his minutes played does. Or is that not a possibility? He already has been given PP time.
- MJL


His point totals could grow more too, couldn't they?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
"Did I make a great draft pick or what?"

- Feanor


When NJ drafted Zacha, I had this mental picture of Hextall running up to the podium, shoving people to the ground on the way, and, before Zacha even getting up there, saying, "PROVOROV! WE'RE TAKING PROVORV!"
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
I (personally) think that B. Schenn is approaching a known quantity, which is a middle 6 winger (who will want a raise next year). I think that Drouin has question marks, but is an unknown quantity (who still has another year on his ELC). Sure Drouin could bust or become a cancer, but I'd take a shot on him. Just my feelings.
- jmatchett383



I'll second that.

I am at the point I would move Schenn in a deal that would provide potential to the Flyers. I know potential is tough to sell but I feel that based on where this team is I can take that chance.

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 4 @ 11:40 AM ET
I (personally) think that B. Schenn is approaching a known quantity, which is a middle 6 winger (who will want a raise next year). I think that Drouin has question marks, but is an unknown quantity (who still has another year on his ELC). Sure Drouin could bust or become a cancer, but I'd take a shot on him. Just my feelings.
- jmatchett383


Brayden Schenn might get traded this year. If he does, he might end up on a team that puts him in a spot he can thrive in.
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