Think this shows the size differential the best. I see Kane at least 1" shorter and smaller framed the Panarin, despite what he may look like from above. In skates, he didn't look that much taller than Bowman last night. I never bought the 5'11" for Kane, but can imagine the more diminutive professional athletes, like the actors in Hollywood, love to fudge the numbers.

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- pdx2ord

Yeah, I never bought it either, but more because the Hawks/NHL have Kane, Panarin, TT, and Shaw all at 5'11" - in pictures off the ice none of them seem to be the same height

All those Sunday games are. Great start times for the fan but the games are sleepy.
- Mr Ricochet

Entire opening period was nondescript except for a lot of hits by Ottawa.

Hawks do enough to win and have played a lot of non exciting hockey at the UC last year and this year as well.

The Hawk are a rare breed that can turn it on and off and hockey is a sport that teams don't have to play all out every shift.

Actually tred, Dano and Drouin were 2013, TT was 2012. But points taken.

I will also add: I have a pretty strong feeling that if TB trades Drouin, there will be a quality young defenseman or defense prospect coming back—that the Hawks may not have at this point.
- John Jaeckel

....Yes that others do have like the Ducks for example.

Unless Danault is part of trade talks or Gustafsson there isn't much in Rockford that would excite anyone....Dano, Polka and others are more to be considered projects.

Rozy is better then Grossmann.
- TTtime

Respectfully disagree.

Plus, Grossman was just an example to make the point that Drouin filling the 1LW would leave Cap space to improve the d-corps.

Why give up 3 assets for a question mark who has proven nothing at the NHL level except he can't stay in the line-up for various reasons.

FTR. Cam Barker was chosen 4th.
- TTtime

Because the Hawks have a win now objective and Drouin is closer (and a lot more dynamic) than Dano/Schmaltz - AND - because his cap hit $890K which means there is enough cap space to make an improvement elsewhere too.

Add in the fact the Hawks traded up to get Schmaltz. Him being part of a deal for a rental or a player with huge question marks, I don't see it happening.
- TTtime

He wouldn't be a rental and the questions would need to be satisfactorily answered before the deal is made.

Rozy is better then Grossmann.
- TTtime

This is definitely true statistically. Both Grossmann and Rozsival played on possession defecient teams in the past with similar deployment/OZS%, but Grossman has been above water only once in his career while Rozsival has only been sub 50% once. Grossman may perform better in a system like Chicago's, but Idk why anyone would care to make the risk after Daley failed and now Scuderi is tanking as well, especially if you're talking about a top 4 role.

Because the Hawks have a win now objective and Drouin is closer (and a lot more dynamic) than Dano/Schmaltz - AND - because his cap hit $890K which means there is enough cap space to make an improvement elsewhere too.
- EbonyRaptor

Then ask yourself this question. If Drouin is all of those things, why would TB look to move him? The truth is Drouin comes with just as many question marks as Dano. The only thing that makes Drouin the new shiny toy is draft position.
Also. TB may even be in more of a win now mode then the Hawks considering the contract coming due and the fact Stamkos remains unsigned.

And from my math, Dano actually has a higher PPG average then Drouin.

Rozy is better then Grossmann.
- TTtime

What are you smoking???

A rusty turnstyle is better than #32!!!!

Then ask yourself this question. If Drouin is all of those things, why would TB look to move him? The truth is Drouin comes with just as many question marks as Dano. The only thing that makes Drouin the new shiny toy is draft position.
Also. TB may even be in more of a win now mode then the Hawks considering the contract coming due and the fact Stamkos remains unsigned.

And from my math, Dano actually has a higher PPG average then Drouin.
- TTtime

But we're loaded at RW , need a true LW .

This is definitely true statistically. Both Grossmann and Rozsival played on possession defecient teams in the past with similar deployment/OZS%, but Grossman has been above water only once in his career while Rozsival has only been sub 50% once. Grossman may perform better in a system like Chicago's, but Idk why anyone would care to make the risk after Daley failed and now Scuderi is tanking as well, especially if you're talking about a top 4 role.




- L_B_R

ty for this. I actually like the Hawks having two young D-men who show promise at the same time as doing decent jobs as it stands now.

If the Hawks can get away with acquiring JD without having to give up Dano or (especially) Teravainen than the hawks will make that trade in a heartbeat. As great as Schmaltz is, the hawks could have exchanged that 20th overall pick for Drouin they would do It in a second.

But we're loaded at RW , need a true LW .
- mrpaulish

oh.

Then ask yourself this question. If Drouin is all of those things, why would TB look to move him? The truth is Drouin comes with just as many question marks as Dano. The only thing that makes Drouin the new shiny toy is draft position.
Also. TB may even be in more of a win now mode then the Hawks considering the contract coming due and the fact Stamkos remains unsigned.

And from my math, Dano actually has a higher PPG average then Drouin.
- TTtime

This all may be true, but Drouin is a left wing, and the Hawks are woefully thin at that position.

So the only logical thing to do is trade from their position of strength - right wing - to obtain the left wing they need.

What are you smoking???

A rusty turnstyle is better than #32!!!!

- dahawks8819

Grossmann was traded from a team that is starving for competent D-men but he is better. Sure thing. The numbers show that to not be true but whatever.

This all may be true, but Drouin is a left wing, and the Hawks are woefully thin at that position.

So the only logical thing to do is trade from their position of strength - right wing - to obtain the left wing they need.
- dahawks8819

And FWIW, TT's natural position is C not RW.
In fact, he played primarily C and LW in Europe.

This is definitely true statistically. Both Grossmann and Rozsival played on possession defecient teams in the past with similar deployment/OZS%, but Grossman has been above water only once in his career while Rozsival has only been sub 50% once. Grossman may perform better in a system like Chicago's, but Idk why anyone would care to make the risk after Daley failed and now Scuderi is tanking as well, especially if you're talking about a top 4 role.




- L_B_R

Rozsival was a highly paid UFA about 10 years ago when the Rangers paid him well.
In context Rozsival is 7 years older than Grosman.

Then ask yourself this question. If Drouin is all of those things, why would TB look to move him? The truth is Drouin comes with just as many question marks as Dano. The only thing that makes Drouin the new shiny toy is draft position.
Also. TB may even be in more of a win now mode then the Hawks considering the contract coming due and the fact Stamkos remains unsigned.

And from my math, Dano actually has a higher PPG average then Drouin.
- TTtime

According to the TB announcer (on Sirius XM this morning) - Yzerman may not be so quick to move him - he will see what's going on with Drouin and not be panicked into making a deal from weakness.

Drouin to the Hawks is an extremely huge long shot. TB will want cap relief (someone to take a higher salaried player) which the Hawks cannot provide. Of course there is the possibility of a 3 way deal, but those are rarely made in the post-salary cap era.

If TB decides Stamkos is unsignable I could see them dealing him for young (cheap NHL ready) high end players and high draft picks. If they do that they will be able to keep their free agents and have quite a good team for a few years to come.

As the trade deadline approaches the dominoes will begin to fall. Drouin, Johansen, Ladd, Buff, maybe Stamkos and others. I would say the trend arrow has been up for the Hawks in the last few weeks with the additions from Rockford. With Danault, Rasmussen, Gustafsson, and TVR playing pretty well Stan might gamble that they can win the SC without major additions like a #4 defender or #1LW. At the very least he will want to see how things play out between now and the deadline. I think he thinks we need another player or has the opportunnity to snare someone on the cheap Stan will go for a "value" player like Vermette was last year that does not cost them an arm and a leg or a key piece of their future.

TT and Dano's natural position is RW. it won't be long and they will need an heir to Hoss. We might be needing RW's in two years like we are needing LW now. It was not that long ago that we only had 1 decent center.

Then ask yourself this question. If Drouin is all of those things, why would TB look to move him? The truth is Drouin comes with just as many question marks as Dano. The only thing that makes Drouin the new shiny toy is draft position.
Also. TB may even be in more of a win now mode then the Hawks considering the contract coming due and the fact Stamkos remains unsigned.

And from my math, Dano actually has a higher PPG average then Drouin.
- TTtime

Neither player has had enough consistent play or a large enough sample size to really make this comparison direct/fair, but their exact number are below. Drouin had higher quality of teammates and they faced a marginal difference in quality of competition.



Not that any of this matter, Drouin to the Hawks is highly unlikely for a lot of reasons.

According to the TB announcer (on Sirius XM this morning) - Yzerman may not be so quick to move him - he will see what's going on with Drouin and not be panicked into making a deal from weakness.
- StLBravesFan

Exactly. He isn't going anywhere unless Yzerman is completely blown away by a deal.
And given all the circumstances, I can't see a team doing that right now. Especially the Hawks.

Rozsival was a highly paid UFA about 10 years ago when the Rangers paid him well.
In context Rozsival is 7 years older than Grosman.
- Al

Those charts are looking at the last 3 years, not 10 years ago jfyi. Rozsival is performing better now (at an older age) than Grossman is. The only reason I mentioned careers is because no matter the age or team, Grossman hasn't been very good statistically, and while obvs Rozsival isn't as good as he was 10 years ago, he's also been fairly consistent over the years, esp considering the natural decline that comes with age.

I don't get the appeal of trying out yet another over priced defensemen who does not play a possession first style and has poor history with shot suppression on top of that.

Neither player has had enough consistent play or a large enough sample size to really make this comparison direct/fair, but their exact number are below. Drouin had higher quality of teammates and they faced a marginal level of different in quality of competition.


- L_B_R

Pretty much what I was saying. That both are unproven at this level. Both are young kids who still have time and room to grow.

While looking for answers elsewhere, they are often right there in front of you. Plus, I know I haven't heard anything that would indicate the Hawks have even begun to sour on Dano. Nor should there be.

Drouin to the Hawks is an extremely huge long shot. TB will want cap relief (someone to take a higher salaried player) which the Hawks cannot provide. Of course there is the possibility of a 3 way deal, but those are rarely made in the post-salary cap era.

If TB decides Stamkos is unsignable I could see them dealing him for young (cheap NHL ready) high end players and high draft picks. If they do that they will be able to keep their free agents and have quite a good team for a few years to come.

As the trade deadline approaches the dominoes will begin to fall. Drouin, Johansen, Ladd, Buff, maybe Stamkos and others. I would say the trend arrow has been up for the Hawks in the last few weeks with the additions from Rockford. With Danault, Rasmussen, Gustafsson, and TVR playing pretty well Stan might gamble that they can win the SC without major additions like a #4 defender or #1LW. At the very least he will want to see how things play out between now and the deadline. I think he thinks we need another player or has the opportunnity to snare someone on the cheap Stan will go for a "value" player like Vermette was last year that does not cost them an arm and a leg or a key piece of their future.

TT and Dano's natural position is RW. it won't be long and they will need an heir to Hoss. We might be needing RW's in two years like we are needing LW now. It was not that long ago that we only had 1 decent center.
- -Doh-

TT's natural position is C.

Panic at the Disco gets the nod over Widespread Panic? Cmon John. I expect better.