Q said Panik would be with the Hawks when the logistics were worked out. Not sure what that means, he's not here yet, no reason to panic.

The Hawks are still focusing on Boedker as far as I know. They seem to be searching for a way to free up cap space so they can sign him long term if they acquire him. They do not want him as a rental.
- Dabearshawks

Thanks! StanBo is gonna have fun trying to make those numbers work

Coaches - even winning ones - can show sentimental blind spots from time to time.

He knows what #32 was ten years ago, even three years ago, and that's what they keep in their heads.

Take Handzus two years ago EVERYONE knew he was finished, but Q kept throwing him out there on the second line with Kane, absolutely killing that line's productivity.

I think Q shows too much sympathy to aging players past their primes. Professional teams need objectivity when evaluating talent, and Q doesn't always exercise this quality.
- dahawks8819

Handzus and Rozsival aren't a fair comparison. Handzus was being deployed above his abilities and with player he wasn't compatible with, which was indeed a poor coaching choice imo. Otoh, Rozsival is being deployed completely within his capabilities (as long as his partner isn't Scuderi) with 'soft' assignments and such. And while Rozsival is not that helpful transition play (which is why it's best to balance him with a mobile d-partner), he is good at maintaining possession, which is not something that should be ignored.

I totally had my doubts that Rozsival could be effective this year due to age progression and especially after his injury, but he hasn't seen much decline from last year. His CF% is down 1.1% (which is primarily due to Scuderi tbh) and .13 P60 at ev. That's pretty normal and minute decline based on age. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love if the Hawks could get an upgrade at 4D that would knock Rozsival off into the press box, that's going to be costly. Rozsival is completely serviceable as 6D in his current deployment by Q imo.

Q said Panik would be with the Hawks when the logistics were worked out. Not sure what that means, he's not here yet, no reason to panic.
- walleyeb1

General Fananger has him listed on the roster so no worries and I am looking forward to watching his audition.I would tend to believe this is it for him.....do or die time for him in this stint coming.

did you guys see the result of the hand batted puck into sedin?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX7RYp4UsAEZC7I.png

ouch

did you guys see the result of the hand batted puck into sedin?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX7RYp4UsAEZC7I.png

ouch
- stljam

Twins no more! Ok ....no longer identically speaking sister!

Coaches - even winning ones - can show sentimental blind spots from time to time.

He knows what #32 was ten years ago, even three years ago, and that's what they keep in their heads.

Take Handzus two years ago EVERYONE knew he was finished, but Q kept throwing him out there on the second line with Kane, absolutely killing that line's productivity.

I think Q shows too much sympathy to aging players past their primes. Professional teams need objectivity when evaluating talent, and Q doesn't always exercise this quality.
- dahawks8819

Don't blame it all on Q, the General Manager re-signed Rosy for another year probably out of sympathy to the injury and loyalty to an old warrior and maybe most of all because he would play for $600K and help with some of the younger kids. But Stanbo had all of the control on this even if Q said he wanted him back.

And if you look back over the decades in the NHL, successful veteran coaches like Bowman, Arbour, Shero, Imlach, Toe Blake, Sutter always loved having one old as dirt veteran Dman around to call on when the games got tight and tough. Players like Jim Roberts, Ed Van Impe, Allan Stanley, Ted Harris, Marcel Pronovost, Kjell Samuelsson and lots more.

Handzus and Rozsival aren't a fair comparison. Handzus was being deployed above his abilities and with player he wasn't compatible with, which was indeed a poor coaching choice imo. Otoh, Rozsival is being deployed completely within his capabilities (as long as his partner isn't Scuderi) with 'soft' assignments and such. And while Rozsival is not that helpful transition play (which is why it's best to balance him with a mobile d-partner), he is good at maintaining possession, which is not something that should be ignored.

I totally had my doubts that Rozsival could be effective this year due to age progression and especially after his injury, but he hasn't seen much decline from last year. His CF% is down 1.1% (which is primarily due to Scuderi tbh) and .13 P60 at ev. That's pretty normal and minute decline based on age. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love if the Hawks could get an upgrade at 4D that would knock Rozsival off into the press box, that's going to be costly. Rozsival is completely serviceable as 6D in his current deployment by Q imo.
- L_B_R

On a cup contending team, they need a little more than serviceable at every position - 6d included.

If there was any part of #32's game that you could say is not replaceable, I would listen to that argument.

And experience does not qualify. Chris Chelios has experience, so by that argument, maybe he should still be on an NHL roster as well?

Don't blame it all on Q, the General Manager re-signed Rosy for another year probably out of sympathy to the injury and loyalty to an old warrior and maybe most of all because he would play for $600K and help with some of the younger kids. But Stanbo had all of the control on this even if Q said he wanted him back.

And if you look back over the decades in the NHL, successful veteran coaches like Bowman, Arbour, Shero, Imlach, Toe Blake, Sutter always loved having one old as dirt veteran Dman around to call on when the games got tight and tough. Players like Jim Roberts, Ed Van Impe, Allan Stanley, Ted Harris, Marcel Pronovost, Kjell Samuelsson and lots more.
- RickJ

The only problem with that argument is the game has become so much faster than those days - it's not as easy to hide that aged warrior in today's game.

Look no further than Timonnen last spring.

Just to be fair the Sedins to this day when we play them scare the poop out of me.

The only problem with that argument is the game has become so much faster than those days - it's not as easy to hide that aged warrior in today's game.

Look no further than Timonnen last spring.
- dahawks8819

Agreed, except Timo was a museum piece when he arrived. Rosy hasn't quite reached that status yet.

And I suspect you will be saying same about Seabrook when he gets near the end of his new contract.

On a cup contending team, they need a little more than serviceable at every position - 6d included.

If there was any part of #32's game that you could say is not replaceable, I would listen to that argument.

And experience does not qualify. Chris Chelios has experience, so by that argument, maybe he should still be on an NHL roster as well?
- dahawks8819

Try replaceable at his cap hit.

Agreed, except Timo was a museum piece when he arrived. Rosy hasn't quite reached that status yet.

And I suspect you will be saying same about Seabrook when he gets near the end of his new contract.
- RickJ

Cup winning teams are also slightly above the average age of players in the league.

The Hawks are still focusing on Boedker as far as I know. They seem to be searching for a way to free up cap space so they can sign him long term if they acquire him. They do not want him as a rental.
- Dabearshawks

Drouin would be a good get but Boedeker would be unbelievable and there would be no questions above his ability to produce as the 1LW

All the Drouin stuff has pushed Boedker rumors to the backseat, but is there any more info on that possibility?
- maria_wyeth

JD to AZ. Boedker to Chi. AZ gets a LW with high potential and Hawks get fast scoring 1LW. Just a pure hypothetical situation. Idk what the Hawks would give up for Boedker.

JD to AZ. Boedker to Chi. AZ gets a LW with high potential and Hawks get fast scoring 1LW. Just a pure hypothetical situation. Idk what the Hawks would give up for Boedker.
- 93Joe

Was wondering about something like this today as well. Could a three-way trade work in this case? I'm not sure what we would have to move to get Boedker though... He would be amazing as our 1LW

Was wondering about something like this today as well. Could a three-way trade work in this case? I'm not sure what we would have to move to get Boedker though... He would be amazing as our 1LW
- MOhawk

Would think if the fan suggested idea of Pokka, schmaltz and a pick for Drouin would allow hawks to flip drouin to yotes for boedker and a pick. All hypothetical and more realistic on a video game I think. Just chiming in on this.

I would think that if the Hawks got Drouin they stop there.

Yzerman will probably use a Drouin trade to ship out salary (Coburn or Carle) and he would probably prefer an NHL d man back. Probably puts the Blues or Preds on top.... maybe the Ducks. All have d men and some space.

If Dano and Pokka could get it done it would be hard to pass up but I just doubt that would get it done. Yzerman knows they're still close to the top in talent and still in Cup contention. He wants to keep Stamkos too. Trading Drouin for future pieces doesn't help him with competing this year/keeping Stamkos.
- tredbrta

Good post. IF the Bolts are gonna risk moving a kid with point a game skills I thought their best move would be to get the best young Dman they could since they are so stacked at forward but I hadn't thought of moving salary too and what it all would mean as far as Stamkos, assuming they want to retain him.

Bolts are dealing from strength and most every team will see what it will take, IF Druin is indeed available.

Drouin definitely has a bigger frame now. Schmaltz's brother Jordan is 6'2 192. Not sure if Nick grows much more. Another nit picky argument that ignores what everyone actually sees - like saying Backes usually fights in his weight class...

Piece from last year on Drouin vs TT in the finals and Cooper having no faith in JD.

http://www.torontosun.com...ands-as-teravainen-shines
- tredbrta

Nice find, tred....... My favorite part:

Chicago has 18 goals from its third- and fourth-line players in the playoffs to date. Both goals in Game 1 came from its third line.

Tampa has four goals from its third and fourth line.


A 1 LW, from wherever, will give the Hawks a solid bottom 6.

JJ, what's your educated guess on Panarin and Kane's actual sizes?

NHL.com has Panarin at 5'11 and 170, Kane at 5'11 and 177. Looking at them, I would guess Panarin is both taller and weighs more than Kane...
- maria_wyeth

It's a guess just looking at pics and tape, have not been in Panarin's physical presence and not Kane's in some time.

They are about the same height. I think Panarin has about 5-10 pounds on Kane. FWIW, Jonathan Drouin is about the same height as both these guys and has about 5 pounds on Panarin.

Just to be fair the Sedins to this day when we play them scare the poop out of me.
- eagle50

Because they look like Children of the Corn?

Would think if the fan suggested idea of Pokka, schmaltz and a pick for Drouin would allow hawks to flip drouin to yotes for boedker and a pick. All hypothetical and more realistic on a video game I think. Just chiming in on this.

I would think that if the Hawks got Drouin they stop there.
- ikeane

Yup. Most likely.

And FWIW, TT's natural position is C not RW.
In fact, he played primarily C and LW in Europe.
- TTtime

Well there's a Finnish guy (from Finland no less) who posts here fairly regularly who has often stated he played C and RW (which is what I recalled as well, at least from his last year in the SM Liiga).

And just because you keep repeating this, I asked him again, and he said: "C and RW."

You can ask him. Name's Mjulqvist.

Here's the other thing that trumps internet "reports." He's about 100 times better on the right side.

One more time, before rumors get out of control:

I have NOT heard specifically to this point that the Hawks are talking to Tampa about Drouin. And I have asked specifically, which tells me probably not. I do believe they have been talking to tampa about someone FWIW.

Q said Panik would be with the Hawks when the logistics were worked out. Not sure what that means, he's not here yet, no reason to panic.
- walleyeb1

What time is the Hawks pre game skate ?