Schmaltz is tiny? Yet he is taller and heavier then Drouin.
- TTtime

Thanks for the dressing room intel. But . . .

Drouin goes about 190-195. Schmaltz is currently listed at 172. There is a negligible height difference.

Not sure where you dug this one up. But, whatever.

Here's the other thing: Drouin>>>Schmaltz at the NHL level until proven otherwise.

Thanks for the dressing room intel. But . . .

Drouin goes about 190-195. Schmaltz is currently listed at 183. There is a negligible height difference.

Here's the other thing: Drouin>>>Schmaltz at the NHL level until proven otherwise.
- John Jaeckel

JJ - Have you heard if the Hawks are entertaining trading for Drouin?

JJ - Have you heard if the Hawks are entertaining trading for Drouin?
- Dannyboy

I have NOT heard that specifically. I HAVE heard TB is heavily scouting Pokka and Dano. So you would think there have been some conversations about some quality TB player.

Schmaltz is tiny? Yet he is taller and heavier then Drouin.
- TTtime

http://www.undsports.com/...ID=13500&ATCLID=209625171

Hes 6'1, 181lb

he will be a decent size once he fills out. he is by no means tiny though

Drouin is 5'11, 188lb

I have NOT heard that specifically. I HAVE heard TB is heavily scouting Pokka and Dano. So you would think there have been some conversations about some quality TB player.
- John Jaeckel

I'd hate to get rid of Dano. I think him playing out of position messed up his confidence. He needs to get back on track and I believe would be a pretty good player.

I wonder what you proposed (Schmaltz and Pokka or Schmaltz, Svedberg, & a pick) would be enough to land Drouin especially with the Cooper/Schmaltz connection. I'd prefer keeping Dano and TT if they could possibly land a talent like Drouin.

http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=209625171

Hes 6'1, 181lb

he will be a decent size once he fills out. he is by no means tiny though

Drouin is 5'11, 188lb
- FourFeathers773

http://worldjuniors.usaho...m/page/show/701595-roster

6', 172.

nhl.com has Drouin at 190.

This is a dumb argument. Drouin is thicker, their height is about the same. Anyone who has seen both players will tell you that. And Drouin is playing with men, not boys.

First, another very good night by Guftasson, which is very important to the Hawks moving forward.

Second, as for the Drouin talk, OF COURSE you move a Nick Schmaltz for this calibre of player. As JJ said, while Schmaltz is showing signs of getting better, he is yet another talented, undersized College Centre with a history of avoiding contact. We have NO IDEA how good (or bad) he will become...if someone else wants to take that chance, good for them.

Schmaltz alone will not get Drouin for the Hawks, and if that price includes Dano, then it will be a steep price to pay. What Dano accomplished in those 35 NHL games last year wasn't some kind of fluke. He possesses a strong body, bright mind and enormous skill. The Hawks have tried him exclusively on the LW this season, and Q hasn't shown him the slightest amount of patience. Believe me, there is A LOT MORE there than is currently showing, and other GMs know it.

However, Drouin possesses perhaps even more talent than Dano, if not the strength or courage. If the Hawks do acquire him, it will become a HUGE acquisition for this organization moving forward as the kid is definitely going to be a good NHL player, especially playing next to Toews and Hossa. The only question would be, can he help us this season as the 1st line LW? And I don't have an answer to that question as he he was a -6 in 10 playoff games last season for the juggernaut Bolt team.
- MexicoHawk

Yzerman will probably use a Drouin trade to ship out salary (Coburn or Carle) and he would probably prefer an NHL d man back. Probably puts the Blues or Preds on top.... maybe the Ducks. All have d men and some space.

If Dano and Pokka could get it done it would be hard to pass up but I just doubt that would get it done. Yzerman knows they're still close to the top in talent and still in Cup contention. He wants to keep Stamkos too. Trading Drouin for future pieces doesn't help him with competing this year/keeping Stamkos.

Thanks for the dressing room intel. But . . .

Drouin goes about 190-195. Schmaltz is currently listed at 172. There is a negligible height difference.

Not sure where you dug this one up. But, whatever.

Here's the other thing: Drouin>>>Schmaltz at the NHL level until proven otherwise.
- John Jaeckel

Neither are in the NHL at the moment. I would say both are unproven at this level but that is a matter of semantics.

Schmaltz is much bigger then 172 these days. Dug it up? You called him tiny in this thread. Never said Schmaltz is better then Drouin. But he is taller and at this point their weigh difference is negligible.

http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=209625171

Hes 6'1, 181lb

he will be a decent size once he fills out. he is by no means tiny though

Drouin is 5'11, 188lb
- FourFeathers773

Let me add, 6', 170-180 pounds is TINY by the standards of professional hockey. Period.

My original point was, no one knows how big this kid will or won't be.

Drouin is closer to a finished product, he is about the same size, and similarly built as Panarin. Similar lower body strength.

And yes, today he outweighs Schmaltz by 10-15 pounds minimum.

Schmaltz is tiny? Yet he is taller and heavier then Drouin.
- TTtime

I'm with you. I don't really get why people keep bringing size into the equation. Schmaltz, Drouin, TT, and even Dano are all ~roughly~ the same size.

From NHL.com:

Schmaltz (age 19, 20 in February) is listed at 6'0", 177 lbs
Drouin (age 20, 21 in March) at 5'11", 188 lbs
Teravainen (age 21) at 5'11", 178 lbs
Dano (age 21) at 5'11", 183 lbs

Yes, 10 lbs is a lot especially when we're talking muscle and general pro hockey strength, but FWIW Nick's older brother Jordan at age 22 now sits at 6'2" 190 lbs, and on NoDak's roster Nick's listed at 6'1" 181 lbs.

I'm not arguing for or against a trade or really saying anything about the players in general. I'm just saying that people seem to be making the size difference out to be some huge gulf when the reality is quite the opposite.

Neither are in the NHL at the moment. I would say both are unproven at this level but that is a matter of semantics.

Schmaltz is much bigger then 172 these days. Dug it up? You called him tiny in this thread. Never said Schmaltz is better then Drouin. But he is taller and at this point their weigh difference is negligible.
- TTtime

Really? Got pics?

Fair to guess the US World Junior roster is probably the most up to date data on this player.

175 (being generous) on a 6' frame is TINY by professional hockey standards. Go look at TT. Same dimensions, exactly. Jeebus.

YOU said Schmaltz outweighs Drouin. You forgetting that?

Even though USA lost today and no one really stood out except Milano and Dvorak for like moment here and there, I liked what saw from Schmaltz. He reads plays well in PK and is defensively responsive. Not really fast but nice hands and vision. He wasn't pushed around against physically more matured russians.

He is good prospect to have but what is his future with Hawks? He centered third line and played pp and pk. Maybe he could become a solid third liner with offensive upside? Like a new Vermette or something..

I'm with you. I don't really get why people keep bringing size into the equation. Schmaltz, Drouin, TT, and even Dano are all ~roughly~ the same size.

From NHL.com:

Schmaltz (age 19, 20 in February) is listed at 6'0", 177 lbs
Drouin (age 20, 21 in March) at 5'11", 188 lbs
Teravainen (age 21) at 5'11", 178 lbs
Dano (age 21) at 5'11", 183 lbs

Yes, 10 lbs is a lot especially when we're talking muscle and general pro hockey strength, but FWIW Nick's older brother Jordan at age 22 now sits at 6'2" 190 lbs, and on NoDak's roster Nick's listed at 6'1" 181 lbs.

I'm not arguing for or against a trade or really saying anything about the players in general. I'm just saying that people seem to be making the size difference out to be some huge gulf when the reality is quite the opposite.
- daaaahawks

The Icehogs website has Dano listed at 6' 223 lbs.

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/page/show/701595-roster

6', 172.

nhl.com has Drouin at 190.

This is a dumb argument. Drouin is thicker, their height is about the same. Anyone who has seen both players will tell you that. And Drouin is playing with men, not boys.
- John Jaeckel

Drouin definitely has a bigger frame now. Schmaltz's brother Jordan is 6'2 192. Not sure if Nick grows much more. Another nit picky argument that ignores what everyone actually sees - like saying Backes usually fights in his weight class...

Piece from last year on Drouin vs TT in the finals and Cooper having no faith in JD.

http://www.torontosun.com...ands-as-teravainen-shines

I'm with you. I don't really get why people keep bringing size into the equation. Schmaltz, Drouin, TT, and even Dano are all ~roughly~ the same size.

From NHL.com:

Schmaltz (age 19, 20 in February) is listed at 6'0", 177 lbs
Drouin (age 20, 21 in March) at 5'11", 188 lbs
Teravainen (age 21) at 5'11", 178 lbs
Dano (age 21) at 5'11", 183 lbs

Yes, 10 lbs is a lot especially when we're talking muscle and general pro hockey strength, but FWIW Nick's older brother Jordan at age 22 now sits at 6'2" 190 lbs, and on NoDak's roster Nick's listed at 6'1" 181 lbs.

I'm not arguing for or against a trade or really saying anything about the players in general. I'm just saying that people seem to be making the size difference out to be some huge gulf when the reality is quite the opposite.
- daaaahawks

Dano is over 200 today.

Schmaltz is about the same size and build as Teravainen. Yes, he may grow.

Both are somewhat "contact averse" at this point because yes, size matters in hockey, especially musculature/physical development.

Will Schmaltz get bigger? Will it affect his style of play? Maybe. that's all we know.

Even though USA lost today and no one really stood out except Milano and Dvorak for like moment here and there, I liked what saw from Schmaltz. He reads plays well in PK and is defensively responsive. Not really fast but nice hands and vision. He wasn't pushed around against physically more matured russians.

He is good prospect to have but what is his future with Hawks? He centered third line and played pp and pk. Maybe he could become a solid third liner with offensive upside? Like a new Vermette or something..
- MjulQvist

I was impressed by how Schmaltz skated overall and back-checked. He's a good prospect for sure.

The Icehogs website has Dano listed at 6' 223 lbs.
- Dannyboy

Lol well apparently someone at the NHL offices has been asleep at the wheel for quite some time! Kinda surprising that the league's website would be that out of date.

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/page/show/701595-roster

6', 172.

nhl.com has Drouin at 190.

This is a dumb argument. Drouin is thicker, their height is about the same. Anyone who has seen both players will tell you that. And Drouin is playing with men, not boys.
- John Jaeckel

Schmaltz is also 2 years away from NHL-ready (IMO) based on his game today. He was getting 3rd line minutes for Team USA and he falls down as much as Bickell

I'm with you. I don't really get why people keep bringing size into the equation. Schmaltz, Drouin, TT, and even Dano are all ~roughly~ the same size.

From NHL.com:

Schmaltz (age 19, 20 in February) is listed at 6'0", 177 lbs
Drouin (age 20, 21 in March) at 5'11", 188 lbs
Teravainen (age 21) at 5'11", 178 lbs
Dano (age 21) at 5'11", 183 lbs

Yes, 10 lbs is a lot especially when we're talking muscle and general pro hockey strength, but FWIW Nick's older brother Jordan at age 22 now sits at 6'2" 190 lbs, and on NoDak's roster Nick's listed at 6'1" 181 lbs.

I'm not arguing for or against a trade or really saying anything about the players in general. I'm just saying that people seem to be making the size difference out to be some huge gulf when the reality is quite the opposite.
- daaaahawks

It's not a tell all. Being stocky vs lanky isn't that big of a deal. Doesn't mean they won't be good/great players but we know which body style is considered more conducive to success in the NHL.... or certainly what is preferred.

Drouin definitely has a bigger frame now. Schmaltz's brother Jordan is 6'2 192. Not sure if Nick grows much more. Another nit picky argument that ignores what everyone actually sees - like saying Backes usually fights in his weight class...

Piece from last year on Drouin vs TT in the finals and Cooper having no faith in JD.

http://www.torontosun.com...ands-as-teravainen-shines
- tredbrta

Interesting piece.

I think it's probably a safe bet that Drouin came in with a bit of a sense of entitlement being picked third overall the previous year. Also that Cooper is a little tough to play for—rumor has it Stamkos isn't always thrilled playing for him either.

Drouin also was a year behind TT in development AND TT had played in a men's league in Finland. No doubt, TT always has and probably still does play better in all three zones. But in terms of offensive skill, Drouin might have a bit more. He's also a left wing, which the Hawks need.

Again, not sure why other than the basis of that article, it's a TT v. Drouin discussion anyway.

Lol well apparently someone at the NHL offices has been asleep at the wheel for quite some time! Kinda surprising that the league's website would be that out of date.
- daaaahawks

I don't buy 223 either, he'd be the same height and heavier than my fat ass.

He looks about 6' 212, and thick in a good way.

Drouin definitely has a bigger frame now. Schmaltz's brother Jordan is 6'2 192. Not sure if Nick grows much more. Another nit picky argument that ignores what everyone actually sees - like saying Backes usually fights in his weight class...

Piece from last year on Drouin vs TT in the finals and Cooper having no faith in JD.

http://www.torontosun.com...ands-as-teravainen-shines
- tredbrta

So if Cooper is so enamored with TT, Stan should be able to swap TT for JD straight up.

First, another very good night by Guftasson, which is very important to the Hawks moving forward.

Second, as for the Drouin talk, OF COURSE you move a Nick Schmaltz for this calibre of player. As JJ said, while Schmaltz is showing signs of getting better, he is yet another talented, undersized College Centre with a history of avoiding contact. We have NO IDEA how good (or bad) he will become...if someone else wants to take that chance, good for them.

Schmaltz alone will not get Drouin for the Hawks, and if that price includes Dano, then it will be a steep price to pay. What Dano accomplished in those 35 NHL games last year wasn't some kind of fluke. He possesses a strong body, bright mind and enormous skill. The Hawks have tried him exclusively on the LW this season, and Q hasn't shown him the slightest amount of patience. Believe me, there is A LOT MORE there than is currently showing, and other GMs know it.

However, Drouin possesses perhaps even more talent than Dano, if not the strength or courage. If the Hawks do acquire him, it will become a HUGE acquisition for this organization moving forward as the kid is definitely going to be a good NHL player, especially playing next to Toews and Hossa. The only question would be, can he help us this season as the 1st line LW? And I don't have an answer to that question as he he was a -6 in 10 playoff games last season for the juggernaut Bolt team.
- MexicoHawk

I'd love to get Drouin, and be able to keep TT and Dano, but that's a pipe dream. You would you rather deal, TT or Dano +?

I'd love to get Drouin, and be able to keep TT and Dano, but that's a pipe dream. You would you rather deal, TT or Dano +?
- howiehandles

TT. Dano's body will hold up longer.

Interesting piece.

I think it's probably a safe bet that Drouin came in with a bit of a sense of entitlement being picked third overall the previous year. Also that Cooper is a little tough to play for—rumor has it Stamkos isn't always thrilled playing for him either.

Drouin also was a year behind TT in development AND TT had played in a men's league in Finland. No doubt, TT always has and probably still does play better in all three zones. But in terms of offensive skill, Drouin might have a bit more. He's also a left wing, which the Hawks need.

Again, not sure why other than the basis of that article, it's a TT v. Drouin discussion anyway.
- John Jaeckel

They were the same draft year is the main reason to me. Dano too. As I mentioned earlier - also hard for me to see Yzerman not using Drouin to lose cap and/or bring back a player to help this year. Dano and Pokka don't do that so I start to believe it could take TT to get it done straight up. Of course, Cooper apparently doesn't think Drouin can help this year either so maybe prospects are what they will get.

Interesting TOI chart here for that draft class. Take a look at Dano vs Drouin.

https://twitter.com/Class...83721607848669184/photo/1

Second City thinks the trade looks like this...

Blackhawks receive: Jonathan Drouin, Braydon Coburn (33% retained salary)

Lightning receive: Marko Dano, Andrew Shaw, forward prospect, 2016 first round pick

I think that would be a HUGE overpay for the Hawks. Whoever wrote it should be committed.