I don't buy 223 either, he'd be the same height and heavier than my fat ass.

He looks about 6' 212, and thick in a good way.
- John Jaeckel

JJ, what's your educated guess on Panarin and Kane's actual sizes?

NHL.com has Panarin at 5'11 and 170, Kane at 5'11 and 177. Looking at them, I would guess Panarin is both taller and weighs more than Kane...

FWIW -

NHL.COM’s Joe Yerdon took to Twitter yesterday regarding the potential asking price for Drouin: “Looking at the deals for Niederreiter and Turris, you’re basically looking at a roster player and a not-first-round pick.”
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Drouin will be traded, but it’ll be on Yzerman’s timetable. It’s possible he could wait until the NHL Draft in June to find the right deal. There will be lots of interest in the 20-year-old playmaker, who isn’t developing as hoped under Lightning coach Jon Cooper. Having re-signed the latter to an extension, Drouin doesn’t seem to have much of a future in Tampa Bay. .The Lightning currently have just over $2 million in cap space, so they can’t afford to take on much salary, unless they can get move some out in the deal or in a separate trade
- Sundevil

yeah and they have a guy named stamkos to sign who is in his final year...they got some salary to move or could they really trade 91 at the deadline...

I don't have any issue with your logic but the bottom line objective when dealing for and swapping out players is to make the team Stanley Cup competitive, not just a playoff participant. Would Drouin put the Hawks over the top?-no evidence to suggest he would.
- RickJ

I think yes, not 'much' better, but over the top better? Very possibly. He would allow whoever the current 1LW to slot in his correct slot and make a lower line better. But more importantly, Hawks desperately need two top 6 LWs. Even if he cannot handle 1LW right away, maybe 2LW will be better suited for him. At some point too we will see Panarin with 19/81, and again, nobody to LW the Kane line. Also makes you wonder where the Hawks would be without Panarin.

I seem to recall similar post trade talk about Dano..and how stanbow may have robbed the jackets...well after a couple of nice scrimmages with 19 and 81...its been all downhill for dano...

I don't expect the hawks take another flyer on a former #1 who seems to have some issues.
- bogiedoc

I think asking a RW to switch to LW at the same time he is breaking in to the league is a bit much to put on the kid. Asking a LW to LW is not

JJ, what's your educated guess on Panarin and Kane's actual sizes?

NHL.com has Panarin at 5'11 and 170, Kane at 5'11 and 177. Looking at them, I would guess Panarin is both taller and weighs more than Kane...
- maria_wyeth

Breadman is around 180 lbs

Schmaltz may also have some value to the Tampa because he is not signed yet and looks to be a pretty solid prospect at this point. as bad as Hawks cap is I just looked at Tampa and 7 of there top 9 and there goalie are all up for contracts either this year or next. that includes stamkos at 8 mil, and hedmen and Johnson combined at 7.35. That is 11-12 extra mil they are going to need to keep those guys along with allot of others.

That said I think they might move drouin to a team with cap space and move carle as well. They cannot afford to keep him.

That is a very good point when it comes to money and who they'd take back/why they'd take top prospects vs NHL players to plug in the lineup

I wonder if Schmaltz + TVR would be a good starting point

Breadman is around 180 lbs
- Dabearshawks

I bet that he prefers to be called a middleweight!!!

That is a very good point when it comes to money and who they'd take back/why they'd take top prospects vs NHL players to plug in the lineup

I wonder if Schmaltz + TVR would be a good starting point
- PatShart

TVR shouldn't be untouchable

Something I haven't seen mentioned much with all the Drouin talk is that because he is on his ELC, Stan would not need to cut into his available cap space therefore that cap space can be used to acquire a d-man to push Gustafsson and TvR down to 5/6 and Rozsival to a reserve role.

Panarin, TT and Drouin would all play major roles this season and next before it's time to pay the piper on one or two of them and trade and the other(s) for prospects/picks. So the Hawks would have a 2-year window to win the Cup before the next big Cap purge.

Maybe wait for Arizona to fall out of the chase and pick up a Nicklas Grossman for a rental which the Hawks have the cap space to do.

Then take your chances with a lineup like this:

Drouin-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Danault-Teravainen
Desjardins-Rasmussen(Kruger)-Garbutt

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Grossman-Seabrook
Gustafsson-TvR

I think yes, not 'much' better, but over the top better? Very possibly. He would allow whoever the current 1LW to slot in his correct slot and make a lower line better. But more importantly, Hawks desperately need two top 6 LWs. Even if he cannot handle 1LW right away, maybe 2LW will be better suited for him. At some point too we will see Panarin with 19/81, and again, nobody to LW the Kane line. Also makes you wonder where the Hawks would be without Panarin.
- Hawkeyes1

Which is why the people responsible for him being here, the year after they were losing a lot of F talent need to get a lot of credit.

I can't remember the scout in Europe's name, but I'm sure the others remember, but that guy deserves a lot of credit for both Panarin and Gus.

Something I haven't seen mentioned much with all the Drouin talk is that because he is on his ELC, Stan would not need to cut into his available cap space therefore that cap space can be used to acquire a d-man to push Gustafsson and TvR down to 5/6 and Rozsival to a reserve role.

Panarin, TT and Drouin would all play major roles this season and next before it's time to pay the piper on one or two of them and trade and the other(s) trade for prospects/picks. So the Hawks would have a 2-year window to win the Cup before the next big Cap purge.

Maybe wait for Arizona to fall out of the chase and pick up a Nicklas Grossman for a rental which the Hawks have the cap space to do.

Then take your chances with a lineup like this:

Drouin-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Danault-Teravainen
Desjardins-Rasmussen(Kruger)-Garbutt

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Grossman-Seabrook
Gustafsson-TvR
- EbonyRaptor

Sign me up right now, if Stan pulled that off, he should be GM of the year.

D for me would be

Keith - Seabs
Gus - Hammer
Gross - TVR

but I aint complaining. Can't imagine this would be possible though

I doubt Schmaltz is traded. The main reason Anthony Louis was drafted by the Hawks was because of having played with Schmaltz. Those two together are something special.

I doubt Schmaltz is traded. The main reason Anthony Louis was drafted by the Hawks was because of having played with Schmaltz. Those two together are something special.
- Dabearshawks

Schmaltz and/or Louis aren't going to win the Hawks a Cup in the next 2-3yrs - which I'm sure is the goal with Hossa's age/contract....as well as Keith, Seabrook pushing 30+

They may be able to help by being assets to trade to help the team now, however.

TVR shouldn't be untouchable
- PatShart

I think he should be. Decent (not even good) d-men cost serious $$, or major assets. Hawks have little depth if at all on D, Seabs, Keith have alot of mileage, have to wonder when that will start to take its toll on their bodies. Q only plays responsible d-men. Hawks should hoard what little they have.

Breadman is around 180 lbs
- Dabearshawks

And Kane looks bigger to me.... from the 300s.*

*sections NOT weight

I think asking a RW to switch to LW at the same time he is breaking in to the league is a bit much to put on the kid. Asking a LW to LW is not
- Hawkeyes1

That is really the crux with Dano. He didn't adapt to the move and it is hurting him. I believe they continue to play him there in Rockford too. Why? If so, this seems like an incredibly stupid development decision. Put him back at his natural position and let him get his confidence back. If not for the benefit of the kid than to maximize his trade value.

And Kane looks bigger to me.... from the 300s.
- tredbrta

Bigger as in weighs more, or taller? I have yet to see a picture of them together where Panarin doesn't look the same height or taller than Kane, but of course that's just in pictures

http://www.cbssports.com/...w-one-of-nhls-top-goalies

Crow finally getting some love

So when Stan went to Rockford to watch the hogs you think he had a chat with that Tampa scout at all ?

Bigger as in weighs more, or taller? I have yet to see a picture of them together where Panarin doesn't look the same height or taller than Kane, but of course that's just in pictures
- maria_wyeth

He looks taller and larger framed - just a bit. Panarin is just slightly shorter and more muscular but on a smaller frame IMO. Again, from the balcony.

Panarin seems to like contact though.

He looks taller and larger framed - just a bit. Panarin is just slightly shorter and more muscular but on a smaller frame IMO. Again, from the balcony.

Panarin seems to like contact though.
- tredbrta

maybe Kane is always slouching in pictures

And yeah, definitely not having a TT contact-avoiding problem with 72

Really? Got pics?

Fair to guess the US World Junior roster is probably the most up to date data on this player.

175 (being generous) on a 6' frame is TINY by professional hockey standards. Go look at TT. Same dimensions, exactly. Jeebus.

YOU said Schmaltz outweighs Drouin. You forgetting that?
- John Jaeckel

And both Kane and TT are listed at 5'11", 177/178 - same size on NHL.com - perhaps, more than size, the ability to USE your size to its best advantage is the key.

Kane does, TT hasn't learned yet, Drouin/Schmaltz? TBD.

Nope. Just sharing what I know about the kid. I will trust information from someone who personally knows Schmaltz, has played and worked out with him over websites that rarely, if ever, update their info.

FWIW it does appear that Schmaltz is coachable where there are question regarding that part of Drouin's make up.
- TTtime

A bit unfair to a (still) 20 year old who - for the first time in his career (I would guess) has had to deal with injury (causing him to miss all but 9 games in the last 9 weeks, according to a TB broadcaster on Sirius XM this morning) - and, perhaps a bit of failure.

And who knows how much of this is because of an agent - experienced in manipulating management - whispering "sweet nothings" into his naive ears?

I don't think we have enough information to really know how uncoachable he might be.