Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund 46s46 seconds ago
Seth Jones for ryan Johansen e5
- Symba007

omg yo

No, not sure why you won't listen to those who know. It only applies to deals signed before a certain date, which is in 2012 I believe.
- MJL

Show me where it says that in the CBA and I will most certainly listen.

clb reporter reports clb and nsh are intensifying trade talks... suddenly eklund has "sources" saying a clb nsh deal is close
seems legit

clb reporter reports clb and nsh are intensifying trade talks... suddenly eklund has "sources" saying a clb nsh deal is close
seems legit
- Bigern4MVP

deal is done, confirmed by Columbus

Show me where it says that in the CBA and I will most certainly listen.
- tkecanuck341

Stick with what you're doing. You're looking good.

Show me where it says that in the CBA and I will most certainly listen.
- tkecanuck341

brace yourself for a breakdown of the entire CBA.

i cant believe the e-system is still in use

brace yourself for a breakdown of the entire CBA.
- conkey

That's certainly what I'm hoping for.

i cant believe the e-system is still in use
- Crimsoninja

Shut up (E3)

i cant believe the e-system is still in use
- Crimsoninja

agreed

Shut up (E3)
- Symba007

agreed

TSN says Vinny was going to retire at end of season. I am not sure why Flyers traded Vinny if that is true.... Is it just in case he changes his mind? Wish Vinny all the best but so happy he is gone. I thought he could do good things for Philly but I was wrong. His first season was about what I expected 20 goals 40-50 points but after that year he went downhill fast. Luke is a much better Dman then he gets credit for. He still has potential to be a top 4 guy. Should thrive in LA

That's certainly what I'm hoping for.
- tkecanuck341

page 265 - recapture only applies to contracts signed prior to the new cba. i.e. section 50.5 only applies to certain contracts. section 50.6 & 50.7 apply to all new contracts.

For any SPC entered into prior to the execution date of this
Agreement t(including any binding Memorandum of
Understanding) that has a term in excess of six (6) League Years
("Long-Term Contracts"), the Averaged Amount of such LongTerm
Contracts shall be calculated and included in a Club's
Averaged Club Salary in accordance with Section 50.5(d)(ii) above
so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid
pursuant to his SPC.

you're up, tkecanuck341.

you're up, tkecanuck341.
- conkey

i out lawyered his ass

i out lawyered his ass
- Tumbleweed

i was impressed.

page 265 - recapture only applies to contracts signed prior to the new cba. i.e. section 50.5 only applies to certain contracts. section 50.6 & 50.7 apply to all new contracts.

For any SPC entered into prior to the execution date of this
Agreement t(including any binding Memorandum of
Understanding) that has a term in excess of six (6) League Years
("Long-Term Contracts"), the Averaged Amount of such LongTerm
Contracts shall be calculated and included in a Club's
Averaged Club Salary in accordance with Section 50.5(d)(ii) above
so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid
pursuant to his SPC.
- Tumbleweed

That's section A. It applies to players that are injured and/or still being paid. Note the section says "so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid pursuant to his SPC."

Section B deals with retirements or "defections" and has no mention of when the contract was signed:

(A) For any SPC entered into prior to the execution date of this
Agreement (including any binding Memorandum of
Understanding) that has a term in excess of six (6) League Years
("Long-Term Contracts"), the Averaged Amount of such LongTerm
Contracts shall be calculated and included in a Club's
Averaged Club Salary in accordance with Section 50.5(d)(ii) above
so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid
pursuant to his SPC.

(B) For any period during which the Player under a Long-Term
Contract is no longer playing in the League during the term of that
Long-Term Contract by reason of retirement, "defection" from the
NHL or otherwise (but not death) (such that he is not playing and
is not receiving Salary pursuant to that Long-Term Contract), an
amount attributable to that Player shall nonetheless continue to be
included in his Club's Averaged Club Salary as described below.

lol

That's section A. It applies to players that are injured and still being paid. Note the section says "so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid pursuant to his SPC."

Section B deals with retirements or "defections" and has no mention of when the contract was signed:
- tkecanuck341

Still trying huh?

That's section A. It applies to players that are injured and/or still being paid. Note the section says "so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid pursuant to his SPC."

Section B deals with retirements or "defections" and has no mention of when the contract was signed:
- tkecanuck341

section B only applies to the defined Long-Term Contracts in Section A. So if a contract is not a Long Term Contract (signed prior to September 15, 2012 & > 6 years), than Section B is not applicable.

I admire your conviction, but you're grasping at straws.

section B only applies to the defined Long-Term Contracts in Section A. So if a contract is not a Long Term Contract (signed prior to September 15, 2012 & > 6 years), than Section B is not applicable.

I admire your conviction, but you're grasping at straws.
- Tumbleweed

I read it a little differently than you do, but the wording is ambiguous. Based on the adjective used to describe the contract in Section A, "Long Term" implies that it is based solely on the term of the contract, and "such" long-term contracts that were signed prior to 9/15/2012 are subject to the criteria in Section A. The Layout of the section (A & B rather than Section A, Subsections 1 & 2) imply that the two are separate.

I'm not sure if this is intentionally ambiguous, but a lawyer could argue it both ways. It would certainly allow for Bettman to not have to decide how to apply it until a specific situation arose.

I read it a little differently than you do, but the wording is ambiguous. Based on the adjective used to describe the contract in Section A, "Long Term" implies that it is based solely on the term of the contract, and "such" long-term contracts that were signed prior to 9/15/2012 are subject to the criteria in Section A. The Layout of the section (A & B rather than Section A, Subsections 1 & 2) imply that the two are separate.

I'm not sure if this is intentionally ambiguous, but a lawyer could argue it both ways. It would certainly allow for Bettman to not have to decide how to apply it until a specific situation arose.
- tkecanuck341

There's nothing ambiguous about the cap recapture rule. It only applies to deals signed under the previous CBA, and it's well documented. Simple google searches will show you that.

There's nothing ambiguous about the cap recapture rule. It only applies to deals signed under the previous CBA, and it's well documented. Simple google searches will show you that.
- MJL

I can provide you simple google results that show you the opposite.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ty_what_it_is_and_why_it/

GET HIM, MJL!

I can provide you simple google results that show you the opposite.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ty_what_it_is_and_why_it/
- tkecanuck341

If you used a reliable source, you might get better info. This is from Capgeek.

In order to punish teams for signing “back-diving” contracts under the terms of the 2005 CBA, the NHL implemented a “cap advantage recapture” rule in the 2013 CBA. Back-diving contracts under the 2005 CBA typically had extra years with low salaries tagged on at the end with the purpose of bringing down the contract’s annual average salary/cap hit. The theory was players would retire and never play those low-salary years, meaning the player would have received more salary than the team was actually charged against the salary cap. The cap advantage recapture rule effectively forces teams to “pay back” any “cap advantage” they received from these contracts, should the player retire or defect from the NHL before his contract expires. If the player fulfills his contract in full, there are no cap advantage recapture penalties. The 2013 CBA states that any long-term contract — defined as seven years or more — entered into on or before Sept. 15, 2012, is eligible for cap advantage recapture if a team received a “cap advantage” from it at the time the player retires or defects from the NHL.

From Spector's Hockey

http://spectorshockey.net...advantage-recapture-rule/

Teams receiving a “cap advantage” from long-term contracts — defined as seven years or more for contracts signed prior to the January 2013 CBA — will be penalized in the event the player retires or “defects” from the NHL before the contract expires. A team receives a “cap advantage” when the player’s actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year.

Following retirement/defection, the “advantage” will be “recaptured” and charged against the club’s cap in equal amounts each year until the contract expires. This penalty applies to any team that received a cap advantage from the contract — ie. a traded contract — except in the event that the trade occurred prior to the new CBA coming into place in January 2013.