But Florida sucks (outside their first line and D pairing).
- James_Tanner

good young talented core, some key vetrans to fill in holes. seems like an improving team well positioned to get better.

tallon laying the groundwork like he did in chicago.

WOW. Is Kadri on the same level as Hall, Eberle, RNH, Seguin? not a troll, just a question...
- geta02it

RFA oranges vs. UFA apples

kadri is an rfa. the major difference is inflation. a six million dollar contract signed 4 or 5 years ago is probably a seven million today. that said, kadri will ask for 6-7 but doesnt really have the numbers to back it up. 5 to 5.5 is more realistic.

kadri is an rfa. the major difference is inflation. a six million dollar contract signed 4 or 5 years ago is probably a seven million today. that said, kadri will ask for 6-7 but doesnt really have the numbers to back it up. 5 to 5.5 is more realistic.
- Allan Bester

next year is his last rfa year.

if they sign him for more than a one-year deal, they'll be buying his ufa years and paying ufa prices.

If you added Stamkos to their current lineup without taking anything away, they'd probably be in a playoff spot right now, so I'd say it would at least speed up the process.
- Snowblind

Is that really realistic though?

Sure, they could pick him up as a FA, but still doesn't mean they don't give up anything. He's prob going to cost $10M per and with this current roster up against the salary cap, kind of means 2 pretty significant contracts will have to go.....right?

Is that really realistic though?

Sure, they could pick him up as a FA, but still doesn't mean they don't give up anything. He's prob going to cost $10M per and with this current roster up against the salary cap, kind of means 2 pretty significant contracts will have to go.....right?
- nikel

sort of - horton on LTIR is half that. Throw Robdias on there and you're up to $8M

Cap hits for raises can be allocated from other guys coming off the books.

inconsistent goaltending to me is the bigger problem.

Is that really realistic though?

Sure, they could pick him up as a FA, but still doesn't mean they don't give up anything. He's prob going to cost $10M per and with this current roster up against the salary cap, kind of means 2 pretty significant contracts will have to go.....right?
- nikel

The Leafs are actually under the cap for the first time since the cap was first instituted. Also, they are paying Grabner a chunk of money and have a bunch of other expiring deals, too.

leafs will have a ton of capspace over the next couple seasons. they can easily afford Stamkos without giving up any of their valuable assets such as bozak or jvr.

gotta go back to 2002 with arnott/nieuwendyk

Lou has been a shark when it comes to trades. He's made a lot of trades, and rarely lost. Acquired a lot of key players over the years through trades. Even with Kovy, he didn't end up giving up much for him.

His recent history of signing players in NJ was probably the only real blackmark(s) on his record.
- Tumbleweed

Don't forgot a decade of piss poor drafts. and the best players leaving town any getting nothing in return.

i would bet two million dollars that JVR and Komarov are both dealt.
- James_Tanner

Geez, I wish I had $2m.

Is there a dead line for the trades to happen?

By the end of this season?

WOW. Is Kadri on the same level as Hall, Eberle, RNH, Seguin? not a troll, just a question...
- geta02it

He makes $4.1 now and hasn't done much, so if he finishes off strong what do you think he'll make?

traded by when? 1 year, 2 years, 3 years? I want to take that bet because JVRs trade value should be astronomical and hes young enough to be part of a tml contender. Proven 1st line wingers dont grow on trees, I think the Leafs will kep him.
- Allan Bester

Leafs will keep both IMO

future norris winner gormley on waivers

i would bet two million dollars that JVR and Komarov are both dealt.
- James_Tanner

i'd actually like them trade jvr this year. His NTC kicks in this july, could limit his return in the future.

that and i don't think signing a 29 year-old JVR for 7-8 years at market price will be a good deal for the leafs.

i think komarov stays for a couple more years. no rush to move him and he is a useful player.

He makes $4.1 now and hasn't done much, so if he finishes off strong what do you think he'll make?
- Garnie

What do I think he'll make? I guess that really depends on the definition of "finishes strong".
Realistically I can see 5-5.5 on a 3-4 year term. I really don't see allot of Leafs games (maybe 5 a year) so its just a statistical guess...

future norris winner gormley on waivers
- Bigern4MVP

Makes for a good movie, The Ups and Downs of a Norris Trophy Winner

What do I think he'll make? I guess that really depends on the definition of "finishes strong".
Realistically I can see 5-5.5 on a 3-4 year term. I really don't see allot of Leafs games (maybe 5 a year) so its just a statistical guess...
- geta02it

Who knows, I was just shooting on the high side a little.

Who knows, I was just shooting on the high side a little.


- Garnie

I'd guess $5.5M over 5 years, using brassard as the comparable.

but yeah, who knows. My guesses are usually $0.5 to $1M low and short 1-2 years.

I'd guess $5.5M over 5 years, using brassard as the comparable.

but yeah, who knows. My guesses are usually $0.5 to $1M low and short 1-2 years.
- Tumbleweed

You guys would know better, outside any homerism, is Kadri the guy the Leafs thought he is/could be? Is he worth that money?

What do I think he'll make? I guess that really depends on the definition of "finishes strong".
Realistically I can see 5-5.5 on a 3-4 year term. I really don't see allot of Leafs games (maybe 5 a year) so its just a statistical guess...
- geta02it

i think thats realistic. hell want more, but thats what hes worth. somewhere betwwen a first and second line center value

You guys would know better, outside any homerism, is Kadri the guy the Leafs thought he is/could be? Is he worth that money?
- geta02it

he's become defensively responsible under babcock so probably exceeds expectations there

He hasn't lit up the score sheet, but with a little better luck he could be a 50 point player.

I think he's worth that type of money. A good 2nd line C.

If RNH is your 3rd line center and Sekera is your #1 defenseman, then your outfit is a textbook case of "misallocation of resources."
- Snowblind

I wonder if you thought this was a solid point when you wrote it?

how is it this simple?

Because of course you took into account that sekera was just signed. Nuge was drafted in 2011. They didn't allocate resources to go sign him as a 3c while assuming they'd be fine with sekera as their 1d at the same time. Winning the mcjesus lottery changed a lot of things for the oilers. But to use it as hindsight and then extrapolate some sort of misstep after the fact is pretty silly

Seriously could go on and on about how shortsighted and oversimplified your post is, but ima assume the best and that you already knew that it was

I wonder if you thought this was a solid point when you wrote it?

how is it this simple?

Because of course you took into account that sekera was just signed. Nuge was drafted in 2011. They didn't allocate resources to go sign him as a 3c while assuming they'd be fine with sekera as their 1d at the same time. Winning the mcjesus lottery changed a lot of things for the oilers. But to use it as hindsight and then extrapolate some sort of misstep after the fact is pretty silly

Seriously could go on and on about how shortsighted and oversimplified your post is, but ima assume the best and that you already knew that it was
- HB77

This thread had Tanner writing about RNH being the Oilers' 3rd line center now and for the future. No one was talking about the Oilers pre-McD. So touchy.

Also the point remains that if you are 3 deep with McD-Draisaitl-RNH but have Sekera as your #1 defenseman then that is a misallocation of resources. If you think the Oilers are better off with the Nuge as a 3rd line center then as an asset to trade for help on the blue line then, good luck with that!

WOW. Is Kadri on the same level as Hall, Eberle, RNH, Seguin? not a troll, just a question...
- geta02it

No, probably not....maybe as good as RNH, but he's older. The salaries aren't comparable though since Hall was signed to a six million deal several years ago and would command closer to the max today.

traded by when? 1 year, 2 years, 3 years? I want to take that bet because JVRs trade value should be astronomical and hes young enough to be part of a tml contender. Proven 1st line wingers dont grow on trees, I think the Leafs will kep him.
- Allan Bester

I predict that both will be moved at the deadline or before.