Like I know JT Brown is a good energy forward but Drouin can't crack the lineup over him and couldn't get in over Morrow in the playoffs? And now he's down in the AHL like Yzerman believes that will keep him quiet. What you really need is him to demand a trade to one team or two so we can watch the two teams sell the future for this clown. Actually now that I think about it,'I hope GORTON isn't dumb enough to do that .

Exactly. I just find it funny that Nail Yakupov was a 19 year old bust 2 years ago, and worthless, and Drouin is some sort of can't miss talent worth a Bundle.




In fact, Yak > Drouin
- Jeropotato

Don't know about that. It's hard to compare the two, different age, different team dynamic. Yakupov has done more, but he's also been given a lot more opportunity to do so.

Strictly potential wise Drouin definitely eclipses Yakupov.

Don't know about that. It's hard to compare the two, different age, different team dynamic. Yakupov has done more, but he's also been given a lot more opportunity to do so.

Strictly potential wise Drouin definitely eclipses Yakupov.
- ehabs9

Drouin cried his eyes out for a deal and now won't answer questions. Steve buries him in the AHL figuring he's further away from us now. Just think of all he forwards they have that could be top six soon. Palat, TJ, Kuch, Namestnikov, Drouin, Erne, Stephens, Point, etc. steve knows he has to acquire massive pieces but if the AHL stint doesn't result in JD racking up points the value can decrease.

Don't know about that. It's hard to compare the two, different age, different team dynamic. Yakupov has done more, but he's also been given a lot more opportunity to do so.

Strictly potential wise Drouin definitely eclipses Yakupov.
- ehabs9

Based on what? Jr stats?pre draft scouting analysis? And exactly what opportunities has Yak had on the Oilers 3rd line playing with the likes of Anton Lander, Derek Roy and Boyd Gordon?
You cant just make poop up to prove a point. Everybody raved about this Yak kid until about 5 seconds after he was drafted.

Drouin cried his eyes out for a deal and now won't answer questions. Steve buries him in the AHL figuring he's further away from us now. Just think of all he forwards they have that could be top six soon. Palat, TJ, Kuch, Namestnikov, Drouin, Erne, Stephens, Point, etc. steve knows he has to acquire massive pieces but if the AHL stint doesn't result in JD racking up points the value can decrease.
- Anthony5967

I'd assume that's the idea, he's not going to get good minutes in Tampa. Might as well let him get minutes in Syracuse, whether they're keeping him or not. He did alright in his time in the NHL, but fact is tampa's top 6 is pretty hard to crack

Pretenders or not, Shattenkirk has a high hockey IQ and a proven talent on both sides of the puck.
- RobShouts

only downside is he can walk in 18 months when he becomes ufa

only downside is he can walk in 18 months when he becomes ufa
- homiedclown

Meh...I get that....but that's kind of appealing in its own way , since a team like Edmonton, for example, is kinda expecting to have Nurse and Klefbom eat the big minutes.

Based on what? Jr stats?pre draft scouting analysis? And exactly what opportunities has Yak had on the Oilers 3rd line playing with the likes of Anton Lander, Derek Roy and Boyd Gordon?
You cant just make poop up to prove a point. Everybody raved about this Yak kid until about 5 seconds after he was drafted.
- Jeropotato

Yes based on those things. What else do you want to base potential on? yaks draft class was poop.

He's had the opportunity to play in the NHL, he's played 214 games. Drouin has 89. And he's produced better than Yak did over those first 89 despite spending most of his time running under 8min a game, while Yak averaged between 12-15min a game.

I didn't make anything up, your first post was the one that simply said "Yakupov>Drouin" without giving any reasoning behind it.

Yak for Drouin being involved in a blockbuster package?

Tampa needs a shake up which makes this more interesting. Hedman could be in Oiler silks.... Send this years 1st to Tampa... Add in Fayne and Schultz or Sekera instead...

Drouin-McDavid-Pouliot (Shift Pouliot to the Right Wing) Seems pretty good.
Not to mention adding in a Hedman will make our Defense more stable.

Still wouldn't do it though.

Yak and McDavid really clicked during that 13 games stretch and at this rate, Schultz has negative value. However, with what is going on in Tampa, it looks like either Stamkos or Drouin will be gone by seasons end...

Yak for Drouin being involved in a blockbuster package?

Tampa needs a shake up which makes this more interesting. Hedman could be in Oiler silks.... Send this years 1st to Tampa... Add in Fayne and Schultz or Sekera instead...

Drouin-McDavid-Pouliot (Shift Pouliot to the Right Wing) Seems pretty good.
Not to mention adding in a Hedman will make our Defense more stable.

Still wouldn't do it though.

Yak and McDavid really clicked during that 13 games stretch and at this rate, Schultz has negative value. However, with what is going on in Tampa, it looks like either Stamkos or Drouin will be gone by seasons end...
- EdmHockeyMan

Edmonton has enough forward prospects, they need defense, why part with Sekera? He seems to be the best guy you have at this point. Sure Nurse and Klef could become top four in the future. Fayne wasn't claimed a first go around.

Yes based on those things. What else do you want to base potential on? yaks draft class was poop.

He's had the opportunity to play in the NHL, he's played 214 games. Drouin has 89. And he's produced better than Yak did over those first 89 despite spending most of his time running under 8min a game, while Yak averaged between 12-15min a game.

I didn't make anything up, your first post was the one that simply said "Yakupov>Drouin" without giving any reasoning behind it.
- ehabs9

I agree with this.
Drouin definitely has more potential than Yak and more raw talent.
However, the difference might only be noticeable in the future due to development. Sadly, in a GM's mind, trading for either will be a risk. Drouin would be the better risk imo since he doesn't need to rely on a Centerman as much as Yak does. Yak is a shooter, while Drouin is more of a playmaker, yet he can definitely snipe the puck.

Overall,
Drouin is an upcoming elite playmaker and a great shooter.
Yak, however, can definitely be an elite shooter,
but like I said, it all depends on development, that is where the risk factor acquires leverage.

Yak for Drouin being involved in a blockbuster package?

Tampa needs a shake up which makes this more interesting. Hedman could be in Oiler silks.... Send this years 1st to Tampa... Add in Fayne and Schultz or Sekera instead...

Drouin-McDavid-Pouliot (Shift Pouliot to the Right Wing) Seems pretty good.
Not to mention adding in a Hedman will make our Defense more stable.

Still wouldn't do it though.

Yak and McDavid really clicked during that 13 games stretch and at this rate, Schultz has negative value. However, with what is going on in Tampa, it looks like either Stamkos or Drouin will be gone by seasons end...
- EdmHockeyMan

You don't land a #1 D-man for a 1st and a second/third pair guy. Tampa would never move Hedman, and if they did you'd have to send over crazy value in return. I will say he's EXACTLY what Edmonton needs though.

Edmonton has enough forward prospects, they need defense, why part with Sekera? He seems to be the best guy you have at this point. Sure Nurse and Klef could become top four in the future. Fayne wasn't claimed a first go around.
- Anthony5967

I agree with you, however, if you were the GM of Tampa, would you let Hedman go without acquiring an equivelent, or even on par at best in terms of importance and effectiveness as Hedman? Schultz blew himself up this year and Fayne at best can play a shutdown role. Yak for Drouin is mainly a switch for both teams, both are fairly respected, however, both need a change of scenario (Yak-McDavid might interrupt this).

I agree that letting go of Sekera would be tough, but it is more about the system and development. Sending Sekera means that the defense would look like this:

Nurse-Hedman
Klefbom-Fayne
Davidson-Gryba
Reinhart

By next season, Nurse and Klefbom will definitely be able to hold the reins and fully take charge, It seems Klefbom already has.

You don't land a #1 D-man for a 1st and a second/third pair guy. Tampa would never move Hedman, and if they did you'd have to send over crazy value in return.
- ehabs9

Exactly why I said it still will not be done with Schultz and Fayne.

Only way this offer evens gets started is if Yak, Sekera, AND the First are what the starting chips are. Drouin and Hedman on the Tamba side. From there you build.

I agree with you, however, if you were the GM of Tampa, would you let Hedman go without acquiring an equivelent, or even on par at best in terms of importance and effectiveness as Hedman? Schultz blew himself up this year and Fayne at best can play a shutdown role. Yak for Drouin is mainly a switch for both teams, both are fairly respected, however, both need a change of scenario (Yak-McDavid might interrupt this).

I agree that letting go of Sekera would be tough, but it is more about the system and development. Sending Sekera means that the defense would look like this:

Nurse-Hedman
Klefbom-Fayne
Davidson-Gryba
Reinhart

By next season, Nurse and Klefbom will definitely be able to hold the reins and fulyl take charge, It seems Klefbom already has.
- EdmHockeyMan

Wait, why would Hedman not be brought back when they're already letting Stamkos go?

Wait, why would Hedman not be brought back when they're already letting Stamkos go?
- Anthony5967

They are not "letting" stamkos go, this is merely on the basis of Money. If he doesn't get what he wants, UFA will gladly pay him handsomely.

If that is the case, Hedman will be there to stay, if not, pieces wil lbe moved. At this point, it depends on what value Yzerman has on Stamkos.

You don't land a #1 D-man for a 1st and a second/third pair guy. Tampa would never move Hedman, and if they did you'd have to send over crazy value in return. I will say he's EXACTLY what Edmonton needs though.
- ehabs9

In fact, I wouldn't even mind if Edmonton overpays for a defender like Hedman. As you said, he is EXACTLY what we need. If Edmonton even has a shot at making the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Chia makes a big move to acquire a player like Hedman or Hedman.

In fact, I wouldn't even mind if Edmonton overpays for a defender like Hedman. As you said, he is EXACTLY what we need.
- EdmHockeyMan

I am a little confused. You want a Drouin Hedman package? What's going to Tampa again? If you don't mean this I apologize

Exactly why I said it still will not be done with Schultz and Fayne.

Only way this offer evens gets started is if Yak, Sekera, AND the First are what the starting chips are. Drouin and Hedman on the Tamba side. From there you build.
- EdmHockeyMan

Fair. I'd guess it would take another of the young guys not named Hall or McDavid. Although Tampa is also gonna run into cap issues, so would be hard to structure around that

I am a little confused. You want a Drouin Hedman package? What's going to Tampa again? If you don't mean this I apologize
- Anthony5967

This is all centered on whether Stamkos is moved or not.
If Stamkos is moved, then there is no deal to begin with other than an unlikely Yak for Drouin package (Where we would have to give up slightly more to get him).

If stamkos stays and gets the big bucks, it needs to come out of someones cap.
Hedman and Drouin could become a targeted package by the Oilers.

Yak + Sekera + 1st +(Blue chip prospect or regular Top 6) for Drouin + Hedman +(Secondary Assets)

Edmonton will most likely have to overpay, but depends on the value of the 1st by the trade deadline.

Fair. I'd guess it would take another of the young guys not named Hall or McDavid. Although Tampa is also gonna run into cap issues, so would be hard to structure around that
- ehabs9

I could see Pouliot being sent from the Oilers as a way to sweeten the pot. In terms of Cap space, Tampa has quite a few vet contracts expiring by this seasons end so could definitely help the situation.

[quote=Anthony5967]I am a little confused. You want a Drouin Hedman package? What's going to Tampa again? If you don't mean this I apologize
- EdmHockeyMan[/quote

This is all centered on whether Stamkos is moved or not.
If Stamkos is moved, then there is no deal to begin with other than a Yak for Drouin package (Where we would have to give up slightly more to get him).

If stamkos stays and gets the big bucks, it needs to come out of someones cap.
Hedman and Drouin could become a targeted package by the Oilers.

Yak + Sekera + 1st +(Blue chip prospect or regular Top 6) for Drouin + Hedman +(Secondary Assets)

Edmonton will most likely have to overpay, but depends on the value of the 1st by the trade deadline.

Oh ok, I figure for a Hedman Drouin package you're looking at 2-1ST RD picks for sure. Yak10, Klef and maybe a secondary forward prospect not a big one but even a third line at worst . Hedman is a number one d, and Tampa
Is overvaluing Drouin . Again I'm just estimating, cost will be severe if you're looking at a package.

Oh ok, I figure for a Hedman Drouin package you're looking at 2-1ST RD picks for sure. Yak10, Klef and maybe a secondary forward prospect not a big one but even a third line at worst . Hedman is a number one d, and Tampa
Is overvaluing Drouin . Again I'm just estimating, cost will be severe if you're looking at a package.
- Anthony5967

Substitute the Klef with Sekera and you are probably on target about what Yzerman values in Drouin and Hedman.

Adding in Klefbom is more of dreaming from Yzerman's side.
However, that Secondary forward coudl actually be Pouliot in order to sweeten the pot for Tampa since there is no way I could see Klefbom leaving after signing and Extension with Edmonton DURING the season.

Either way, this willdefinitely be an overpayment from Edmonton's side, but it will definitely be worth it.

Substitute the Klef with Sekera and you are probably on target about what Yzerman values in Drouin and Hedman.

Adding in Klefbom is more of dreaming from Yzerman's side.
However, that Secondary forward coudl actually be Pouliot in order to sweeten the pot for Tampa.

Either way, this wil ldefinitely be an overpayment from Edmonton's side, but it wil ldefinitely be worth it.
- EdmHockeyMan

Shattenkirk wouldn't be a bad get either for EDM

Oh ok, I figure for a Hedman Drouin package you're looking at 2-1ST RD picks for sure. Yak10, Klef and maybe a secondary forward prospect not a big one but even a third line at worst . Hedman is a number one d, and Tampa
Is overvaluing Drouin . Again I'm just estimating, cost will be severe if you're looking at a package.
- Anthony5967

Problem with Tampa is they can't really afford to move Hedman even if there's a fair trade. They have a good blue line, but most teams can't move their #1 and save face. They don't have a very strong line of D prospects either if I'm not mistaken.