Leaves one question (everyones thinking it) where do we go from here?
- Sabresfan-365

Wait until next season, and then if we're still this bad next November. I'll jump with everyone else, but until then I'll enjoy seeing the individual efforts of Eichel and O'Reilly and Reinhart and Ristolainen et al. The best thing about this team so far this year, is the lack of quit in them. I can't think of a single game where they rolled over, even in the few games we've been blown out. The last 2 years, if they got down a goal they hung their heads, if it was 2 the game was over. The improvement is incremental; anyone who thought this team was going to "shift the paradigm of losing", or "make a quantum leap" in 40 games was delusional. They really are one or two should have saves a night away from winning on a regular basis. Good goalies occasionally allow a bad goal. Chad Johnson admirably as he's played is letting in one a game. I think it's fatigue this guy hasn't played this much since probably junior or college whichever. That Danault goal was literally one of the worst goals I've ever seen in 20+ years of watching hockey. Not counting the couple center ice goals allowed by Osgood that took weird bounces. He was beat cleanly short side and should've had it.

Ennis leads the team in scoring during the worst season in Sabres history....he's a building block...

...Injuries and a slump later...TRADE HIM!!!

Wait until next season, and then if we're still this bad next November. I'll jump with everyone else, but until then I'll enjoy seeing the individual efforts of Eichel and O'Reilly and Reinhart and Ristolainen et al. The best thing about this team so far this year, is the lack of quit in them. I can't think of a single game where they rolled over, even in the few games we've been blown out. The last 2 years, if they got down a goal they hung their heads, if it was 2 the game was over. The improvement is incremental; anyone who thought this team was going to "shift the paradigm of losing", or "make a quantum leap" in 40 games was delusional. They really are one or two should have saves a night away from winning on a regular basis. Good goalies occasionally allow a bad goal. Chad Johnson admirably as he's played is letting in one a game. I think it's fatigue this guy hasn't played this much since probably junior or college whichever. That Danault goal was literally one of the worst goals I've ever seen in 20+ years of watching hockey. Not counting the couple center ice goals allowed by Osgood that took weird bounces. He was beat cleanly short side and should've had it.
- Wetbandit1

Murray had better goalies,could of kept one or two and still tanked last year. Halak,neuvrith,enroth or lindmark. Buy he trades a first for a fat overweight concussed goalie. That is mind boggling.

- chilliard77

Sorry to tell you,it has fallen,I also know it might be murray falling from a barstool or Ennis from the toilet

Sorry to tell you,it has fallen,I also know it might be murray falling from a barstool or Ennis from the toilet
- Buffalo39

So Murray's an alcoholic and Ennis drops em' too hard?

We gave up a lot of our younger talent and the stockpile of draft picks. The Sabres don't have alotof assets. That 21st pick traded for lehner could of been used as part of a bigger package. We gave up a boat load to Winnipeg for two often injured ,over valued hockey players. Regardless if it was a tank, the only great trade had been Oreilly and for as good as he is, we still down the road,might hate that trade. Johnson for technically neuvrith and halak. The miller tarde really only got us a first. Carrier might never make it,stewart gone,halak traded.tim murray needs to get off the bar stool every night and become sober. This team is in disarray and we don't havalot to of prized young players
- Buffalo39

I don't love all of Murray's trades either, but you're not being really fair here either.

Stafford- was gone regardless, UFA, needed a change of scenery more than anyone else on the team.
Lemieux- is a punk who wouldn't play for us, so what are going to do with him?
Armia- after four years of development can't score at the AHL level and he was supposed to be a sniper. Becoming more and more of a Bust.
The first rounder-yeah, I didn't like that either, should have been a second.
Halak- never wanted to play for us and made that obvious, so again what were you going to do let him walk for nothing? We did get Neuvirth though which was solid.
Carrier- well, that's the price you pay with prospects, some make it some don't, the kid still has time though.
Stewart- isn't just gone, he's in the form of Minnesota's 2nd round pick 2017
And, we still own St. Louis's 3rd pick this year.
Neuvirth- I agree should have been resigned, but we still have a 3rd for him and who knows maybe Johnson can pull off another 3rd at the deadline, it's not like he's played terribly this year.

Sorry to tell you,it has fallen,I also know it might be murray falling from a barstool or Ennis from the toilet
- Buffalo39

Interesting .

So Murray's an alcoholic and Ennis drops em' too hard?
- chilliard77

All I will say Ennis long injury he had,didn't come from the ice. Bada bing, go see if Timmy is bellied up to the bar

Honestly,I will find out. I have to be honest,I am in the same place I have been in the last three years . I don't care. The bills and sabres are a train wreck. Doug whaley laughs to the bills reporters ,you DONT need to work around free agency,the bills won't make any moves. Hey doug because you are an moron. We over pay for a lot of junk. He thinks it is play station . Tim murray right now is the same. Kane and Bogosian trade,horrible. Lehner trade horrible. Signing moulson,keeping leggwand,paying Gionta, we have no goalie ,they are a mess.
The sabres don't have a lot of can't miss younger players. We like to as buffalo fans overvalue our players,but they don't hav a lot of talent in the organization. We might have a mini bills run of several more years of no playoffs
- Buffalo39

He said that because the team won't have the cap space to go after big name free agents. And as far as overpaying, I don't believe that. Mario Williams and Dareus were playing at an all-pro level before Rex came to town and (frank)ed with the defense. I really hope he brings Pettine back and lets him run the defense. Wishful thinking I know. The worst thing about this Bills season was, it was there for the taking. If the defense was 10th we'd be talking about playing tomorrow. The abhorrent coaching job in Kansas City directly led to that loss. The Philly game, and the 3 bad minutes against Jacksonville that led to that loss. Most seasons we're out of it by Thanksgiving, but this year we actually had a chance until late in the season. That's what really gets my goat.

All I will say Ennis long injury he had,didn't come from the ice. Bada bing, go see if Timmy is bellied up to the bar
- Buffalo39

I admit I am a little disappointed with how most of Murray's moves have panned out to date, but there's still a long time before we can truly put a grade on them. As far as the team's struggles, it's about where most would expect a team to be that just had back to back 30th place finishes. It is disappointing to watch the team lose, but there is still light at the end of the tunnel.

With that, I am going to sleep. I hope you all have a good night.

I don't love all of Murray's trades either, but you're not being really fair here either.

Stafford- was gone regardless, UFA, needed a change of scenery more than anyone else on the team.
Lemieux- is a punk who wouldn't play for us, so what are going to do with him?
Armia- after four years of development can't score at the AHL level and he was supposed to be a sniper. Becoming more and more of a Bust.
The first rounder-yeah, I didn't like that either, should have been a second.
Halak- never wanted to play for us and made that obvious, so again what were you going to do let him walk for nothing? We did get Neuvirth though which was solid.
Carrier- well, that's the price you pay with prospects, some make it some don't, the kid still has time though.
Stewart- isn't just gone, he's in the form of Minnesota's 2nd round pick 2017
And, we still own St. Louis's 3rd pick this year.
Neuvirth- I agree should have been resigned, but we still have a 3rd for him and who knows maybe Johnson can pull off another 3rd at the deadline, it's not like he's played terribly this year.
- sskkoo1

Only thing I disagree with, he hated the tank and said as much on his way out of town, so we never had a chance at him.

Hey, Armia scored the other night! For his only NHL goal... Granted he's only played 11 NHL games, but still he was Darcy's biggest bust. I know that's controversial because, Grigorenko, but at least he shows flashes and he was drafted a year later than Armia.

Only thing I disagree with, he hated the tank and said as much on his way out of town, so we never had a chance at him.

Hey, Armia scored the other night! For his only NHL goal... Granted he's only played 11 NHL games, but still he was Darcy's biggest bust. I know that's controversial because, Grigorenko, but at least he shows flashes and he was drafted a year later than Armia.
- Wetbandit1

No, Darcy's biggest bust was Zagrapan.

No, Darcy's biggest bust was Zagrapan.
- sskkoo1

Oh yeah, good catch, I totally forgot about that guy. He was good in junior, and had a couple halfway decent seasons in the AHL, but that's all you can say about the guy.

I agree, tim Murray left us with very bare cupboards. If Eichel and reinhart become good to very good hockey players, we will have another 5 to 7 bad years. If they don't become great, we are in big trouble besides those two andmaybe 55. We don't have one potential superstar in our organization. How does chicago and detroit keep drafting very good hockey players where they pick. Tim Murray might get fired within 18 months,my prediction
- Buffalo39

If Eichel becomes good? Have you been watching?

And O'Reilly is...chopped liver? He's playing like a star.

I will always believe at least part of the reason Murray made the Winnipeg trade was to insure last place, as that was an epic battle to the final day last year, and it's the same reason he got rid of the goalies last year. Remember how well they were both playing and how it almost cost them last?

Might serve them better long term anyways. Get a guy who is established to help turn things around rather than wait on a maybe. Of course, this is assuming they don't draft top 3, if they are then things get trickier.
- Sabresfan-365

Things aren't tricky at all if the pick is top 5. You keep it all day long unless you're totally blown away.

Leaves one question (everyones thinking it) where do we go from here?
- Sabresfan-365

Get busy on trying to get rid of that dead weight, and likely take whatever you can get for the free agents to be.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...nner-gym-assault-robbery/

The 2 funniest things about the video. 1) Former NHL "star" Dustin Penner. When a guy is most famous because he hurt himself eating pancakes, he's not a star. 2) The guy with the drill near the end.

Read last post. Plus I said, they could trade it not that they would. Obviously it's less likely they get an offer they like for say 4th or 5th overall vs New Jersey at 9th but for the right player you'd have to seriously consider it.
- Sabresfan-365

It would have to be Nathan MacKinnon type player ..
Like if we had pick 6 in the draft if Johansson was available at the time I would have gave it to them in a second

http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/08/nhl-dustin-penner-gym-assault-robbery/

The 2 funniest things about the video. 1) Former NHL "star" Dustin Penner. When a guy is most famous because he hurt himself eating pancakes, he's not a star. 2) The guy with the drill near the end.
- Wetbandit1

I would say he was pretty good back in the day

Ennis leads the team in scoring during the worst season in Sabres history....he's a building block...

...Injuries and a slump later...TRADE HIM!!!
- feetontheair22

because he's playing like his old selfish self again he was not being Max and that's what made him a good player now he's back to his old self

Only thing bad about this losing streak is that hard hats going to come in here full force throwing down his smackdown about TM then we'll talk about Kane then Ted Nolan groundhog day everyday

I am amazed Murray has done nothing in the last month to improve this team

very darcyesk

because he's playing like his old selfish self again he was not being Max and that's what made him a good player now he's back to his old self
- gerbe75pts

max had crap line mates that gave little effort and was crossing their own blue line when max was going into the other zone


ennis has nobody to blame but himself