I think hes going to be a good player never going to be a superstar. not trying to be negative here just my opinion
- MCGUIZZY

I think Drouin is going to end being the same, as in good but not great.

That is most definitely my opinion only though.

We have essentially the same perspective.

If I am going to trade someone like Girgensons, it is not going to be until after I have found out exactly where I am drafting, and maybe not even until I have made my first round pick, as it is likely after that where I will know for sure what I need, meaning top pair D help, with relation to what I am stocked at, meaning top 6-9 forwards.
- kingcong39

Right, if we finish last or even second last, odd favor us picking 1-4. We have two glaring holes, a top pairing defensemen to pair with Risto, and a scoring winger to play with Eichel, RoR. Picking 1-4 should solve one of those problems. Trading Gus away just opens up a new hole in who is going to shut down the oppositions top line. It like Larsson in that role, but he can not in anyway do it consistently throughout a game, Girgensons is the only one who's proven he can.

I expected him to be a 2:1 ration of assists to goals, I think that will happen when we get better goal scoring from the top lines
- homiedclown

I see a young David Krejci in Reinhart. I would love it if he could have a similar career. To me that is best case scenario for Reinhart. Really nice player but not exactly a superstar

I think Drouin is going to end being the same, as in good but not great.

That is most definitely my opinion only though.
- kingcong39

Thats fair. I personally see drouin to have a slightly higher upside. At least offensively

Thats fair. I personally see drouin to have a slightly higher upside. At least offensively
- MCGUIZZY

My view is that I agree with you offensively but overall Reinhart will be better player all around.

I see a young David Krejci in Reinhart. I would love it if he could have a similar career. To me that is best case scenario for Reinhart. Really nice player but not exactly a superstar
- MCGUIZZY

I'll take it though. His game is improving on a team that has substandard talent and is struggling. Drouin is having problems contributing on a team with a bunch of talent, and has been sent down to the A to learn how to play a team game which includes D.
Point is, one is realizing his potential, the other is relying on his potential. Big difference.

my manager keeps getting pissed catching me on this site... sigh...

I'll take it though. His game is improving on a team that has substandard talent and is struggling. Drouin is having problems contributing on a team with a bunch of talent, and has been sent down to the A to learn how to play a team game which includes D.
Point is, one is realizing his potential, the other is relying on his potential. Big difference.
- IonSabres

While I agree he needs to work on his defense (the case with most young players) I would argue that his production has been pretty solid considering hes been playing 4th line minutes. He put up 28 assists in 70 games last season (second only to stamkos) as a rookie playing on the fourth line. Reinhart has put up 7 assists in 42 games so far playing in the top 6

While I agree he needs to work on his defense (the case with most young players) I would argue that his production has been pretty solid considering hes been playing 4th line minutes. He put up 28 assists in 70 games last season (second only to stamkos) as a rookie playing on the fourth line. Reinhart has put up 7 assists in 42 games so far playing in the top 6
- MCGUIZZY

There's something about goals that should be in here somewhere........


Also I doubt he got 4th line min the whole season

There's something about goals that should be in here somewhere........


Also I doubt he got 4th line min the whole season
- Herzeleid

Its fine dude im not trying to rip on Sam. I doubt you really know much about the situation

While I agree he needs to work on his defense (the case with most young players) I would argue that his production has been pretty solid considering hes been playing 4th line minutes. He put up 28 assists in 70 games last season (second only to stamkos) as a rookie playing on the fourth line. Reinhart has put up 7 assists in 42 games so far playing in the top 6
- MCGUIZZY

Eh...I don't know, take a look at this, for a Goal Scoring sniper, I like the look of the 2nd line


2014-15 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 70 4 28 32

2015-16 Buffalo Sabres NHL 42 12 7 19

my manager keeps getting pissed catching me on this site... sigh...
- Sabre_Tooth

Tell him to mind his business. He cant delegate if he is watching you all day.

Tell him to mind his business. He cant delegate if he is watching you all day.


- cabin

file a harassment charge with HR.

Eh...I don't know, take a look at this, for a Goal Scoring sniper, I like the look of the 2nd line


2014-15 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 70 4 28 32

2015-16 Buffalo Sabres NHL 42 12 7 19
- IonSabres

Not sure where you are getting "Goal Scoring sniper" as a label for Drouin. Idk its kind of silly to keep going on about it. Just pointing out that he was producing in a much lesser role. You said he was struggling to produce which i dont necessarily think is the case

There's something about goals that should be in here somewhere........


Also I doubt he got 4th line min the whole season
- Herzeleid

89 games in nhl
26 games under 12 minutes a night

for the most part he bounced around on the bottom 3 line last year

http://espn.go.com/nhl/pl...d/3041971/jonathan-drouin

http://espn.go.com/nhl/pl...year/2015/jonathan-drouin

Not sure where you are getting "Goal Scoring sniper" as a label for Drouin. Idk its kind of silly to keep going on about it. Just pointing out that he was producing in a much lesser role. You said he was struggling to produce which i dont necessarily think is the case
- MCGUIZZY

40 points in first 89 games, bouncing around the bottom 3 lines

not bad numbers

only 6 goals was surprising

40 points in first 89 games, bouncing around the bottom 3 lines

not bad numbers

only 6 goals was surprising
- homiedclown

Hes also been a plus player in both seasons. despite the knocks on his defense

Yes. I like Sam, but I don't think he ever scores more than 70 and likely will be a 50-60 point player at his prime.
- Zschalberg

Do you know how many players actually scored 70 points last year?


hint: It was less than 20.

While I agree he needs to work on his defense (the case with most young players) I would argue that his production has been pretty solid considering hes been playing 4th line minutes. He put up 28 assists in 70 games last season (second only to stamkos) as a rookie playing on the fourth line. Reinhart has put up 7 assists in 42 games so far playing in the top 6
- MCGUIZZY

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.
- ImThatGuy

?

right just like how you ignored the rest of my conversation and, Let me guess, assumed I was ripping on reinhart?

get lost

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.
- ImThatGuy

Had to reed that backwards to understand it .

oh my


nothing like getting a dig on a kid less then 24 hours after a hatty


skunk got a hatty in his 51st game in the nhl

is that the quickest for a sabre drafted to get a hatty in the blue and gold?
- homiedclown

That's not a dig, it's being realistic. I don't see him being an 80-100 point player with the way the NHL is trending in low scoring and the fact that he's a good, and not a great player. I don't see him in the same light as Ovechkin, Crosby, Towes, Kane, Stamkos, etc. I see him as a pretty good player that will help us win.

I gotta think that others (70s and 80s guys) did it faster but that's a great question.

Do you know how many players actually scored 70 points last year?


hint: It was less than 20.
- ImThatGuy

That's fine. And I don't think Sam will anytime soon. If he does it I'd expect it to be in 2-3 years. He would need to take another big step forward to reach it. That doesn't mean I think he's going to consistently be top 20 in the NHL. Sorry.

That's fine. And I don't think Sam will anytime soon. If he does it I'd expect it to be in 2-3 years. He would need to take another big step forward to reach it. That doesn't mean I think he's going to consistently be top 20 in the NHL. Sorry.
- Zschalberg

Well even if he is close to that, that is pretty good. LMAO. You are saying he is going to be GOOD not GREAT but will be better than 9 other teams #1 guy??? Ill take it.

That's not a dig, it's being realistic. I don't see him being an 80-100 point player with the way the NHL is trending in low scoring and the fact that he's a good, and not a great player. I don't see him in the same light as Ovechkin, Crosby, Towes, Kane, Stamkos, etc. I see him as a pretty good player that will help us win.

I gotta think that others (70s and 80s guys) did it faster but that's a great question.
- Zschalberg

Figuring there is only 5 guys that were 80-90 and 0 that were over 90.... yeah those expectations would be a bit high.....