Jordan Subban 19 pts 29 games
- VANTEL

I have no issue with him trying to earn a spot in a couple years. Zietsev is 23 and playing top pairing minutes, he is years ahead of subban. If you can land him other than edler all of our Dmen would be in there mid 20s. I would then be doing whatever I could to land a guy like Bigras, Bowey, Theodore etc for hamhuis and whatever else it would take so you can start to put them in the position to eventually take over for edler so that we could deal him before the bottom falls out much the way it did with burrows and higgins.

Sorry I am only saying keep them because I have given up ( partially) . I still want full change but won't get a long debate going
- VANTEL

Sweet Mary, I can't believe it...

Bipolar club

I just want what's best for the franchise, the twins have earned every right to choose their own path forward. Keeping them to mentor these young kids is the best path forward.
- LeftCoaster

Bipolar is one excuse

The other is the rookies are gaining. Less need for stupid moves

See, now ISS has sergachev at #10, see what I mean? This could be a crazy draft, or a terrible draft rofl.
- Crazybagoham

Ya as long as your top 10 your fine. If its top 5 were going with a forward I would assume and if its 5-10 there are 4 dmen that should be there.

The GF has been teaching the Kid how to cook lasagna, now I have to go eat it..............pray for me.

Ya as long as your top 10 your fine. If its top 5 were going with a forward I would assume and if its 5-10 there are 4 dmen that should be there.
- mauryballstein

I was just thinking the same thing, the forwards seem VERY good (Tkachuk, Mathews, Puljujarvi, Laine) if I were in that top 5

then I'd go for CHyrchun/ Sergachev in the 5-12 spots

12-30, tbh I'd seriously go after Julien Gauthier without thinking about organization need (big heavy Right winger) I know we have a couple f those guys, but man I'm in love with this kid (I know the Q is easy to score in, but sometimes thats good for the confidence)

Prepping some nachos for the game right now!

ZIETSEV i forgot about him, whats the word on that guy? Still interested in Van? Very interesting! especially if we can just scoop him up with our excess cap
- Crazybagoham

Lots of articles about him going to Toronto a lot

I was just thinking the same thing, the forwards seem VERY good (Tkachuk, Mathews, Puljujarvi, Laine) if I were in that top 5

then I'd go for CHyrchun/ Sergachev in the 5-12 spots

12-30, tbh I'd seriously go after Julien Gauthier without thinking about organization need (big heavy Right winger) I know we have a couple f those guys, but man I'm in love with this kid (I know the Q is easy to score in, but sometimes thats good for the confidence)

Prepping some nachos for the game right now!
- Crazybagoham

Nylander will go top 5 too. I think outside a top 10 pick I would like to add size up front our forwards are not very big.

Lots of articles about him going to Toronto a lot
- Retinalz

Hard to say cus of the toronto media bias they say every player is going there

Nylander will go top 5 too. I think outside a top 10 pick I would like to add size up front our forwards are not very big.
- mauryballstein

Unless we make playoffs, we are likely picking top 10.

Unless we make playoffs, we are likely picking top 10.
- Retinalz

Should end up 3-7 area I'm figuring.

Travis Green said he needs a lot of work on his defensive side of the game but he's made some really good strides in the right direction this year.....the process.
- LeftCoaster

Ive heard the same.... reinforces what Ive been saying for months....watch tape on Subban....we plays like winger and prob should be converted to wing.

Its extremely difficult for a 5'9 player to make it to NHL as a D, pretty impossible thenfor 1 that isnt great defensively. It would increase his chances to convert to wing.

Ive heard the same.... reinforces what Ive been saying for months....watch tape on Subban....we plays like winger and prob should be converted to wing.

Its extremely difficult for a 5'9 player to make it to NHL as a D, pretty impossible thenfor 1 that isnt great defensively. It would increase his chances to convert to wing.
- SMBDragon

It's his first year of pro hockey....leave him alone let him cook down there and turn into an offensive force from the backend.

It's his first year of pro hockey....leave him alone let him cook down there and turn into an offensive force from the backend.
- Bullfrog77

his chances still arent good.
Im saying hed be better off

his chances still arent good.
Im saying hed be better off
- SMBDragon

NHL is trending towards speed and skill. Knuckle draggers are all but gone. We have a d man with terrific offensive instincts, and you want to turn him into linden vey? Leave him be. Let him cook. He's gonna be real good. Just won't be right away. 3 years on the farm he will be awesome

NHL is trending towards speed and skill. Knuckle draggers are all but gone. We have a d man with terrific offensive instincts, and you want to turn him into linden vey? Leave him be. Let him cook. He's gonna be real good. Just won't be right away. 3 years on the farm he will be awesome
- Bullfrog77

Put a smaller dman with a bigger dman and the size won't matter

NHL is trending towards speed and skill. Knuckle draggers are all but gone. We have a d man with terrific offensive instincts, and you want to turn him into linden vey? Leave him be. Let him cook. He's gonna be real good. Just won't be right away. 3 years on the farm he will be awesome
- Bullfrog77

Maybe...
but no hed NEVER be Vey lol. too strong to be compared w Vey.

Bowey and Theodore are pretty high end prospects and would take considerably more than just Hamhuis. I'm a big Hamhuis fan, but the return at best will be a second rounder.

Put a smaller dman with a bigger dman and the size won't matter
- Retinalz

Disagree. You still have to be able to win puck battles. Spurgeon-type d-man are rare, there is room opening smaller guys, but they have to be very good with their stick and positioning which is something Subban needs to get a lot better at.

Unless we make playoffs, we are likely picking top 10.
- Retinalz

McJesus and Couture are back, we aren't making the playoffs
I like winning/losing with the kids getting ice, should be a nice change.

Disagree. You still have to be able to win puck battles. Spurgeon-type d-man are rare, there is room opening smaller guys, but they have to be very good with their stick and positioning which is something Subban needs to get a lot better at.
- neem55

You are right, but Subban also has the strength to win puck battles. The guy is probably in better shape than anyone in the AHL.

Disagree. You still have to be able to win puck battles. Spurgeon-type d-man are rare, there is room opening smaller guys, but they have to be very good with their stick and positioning which is something Subban needs to get a lot better at.
- neem55

Agreed.
THe taller D have a longer reach and stick....which corrals opponents much easier. They cover more ground, cover more net and are easily wheel guys away from net

Bowey and Theodore are pretty high end prospects and would take considerably more than just Hamhuis. I'm a big Hamhuis fan, but the return at best will be a second rounder.
- neem55

Thats why I said hamhuis plus whatever it takes to get it done. We have no high end Dmen coming up, I was just using them as an example but I would really like to add one of top 10 D prospects. Luke schenn got a third, prospect and lecavalier dump. Sekera got a 1st and a 2nd round prospect in Mckeweon. Hamhuis easily gets a 1st especially if we pick up half the remaining salary to open up bidding to more teams. Hamhuis has been playing with scrubs all year or he would look much better.

Agreed.
THe taller D have a longer reach and stick....which corrals opponents much easier. They cover more ground, cover more net and are easily wheel guys away from net
- SMBDragon

Got me convinced bring back Alberts.

Jokinen is $$$ on the road this year.