You want Brent Burns (9 fights) to replace Dorsetts (122 fights) toughness?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I didnt mean to replace dorsett no. adding to while still being a great player

Better player than prust, lucic scott by a long shot

They're not scaring anyone...
- Bullfrog77

Its not about scaring its about setting a tone and a precedent. Making other teams think twice about f@cking around.

My friend , not even in the same ballpark. I think I know what you are getting at. Dorsett is a decent 4 th liner. Torres is a high risk high reward scumbag. The closest player to Torres is Cooke Averey.
- VANTEL

Torres was a decent guy but he is a predator on the ice. Cant say the same of Cooke or Avery.

I didnt mean to replace dorsett no. adding to while still being a great player

Better player than prust, lucic scott by a long shot
- SMBDragon

Its not about scaring its about setting a tone and a precedent. Making other teams think twice about f@cking around.
- thundachunk

It's absoloutly about scaring them...you don't intimidate anyone when a guy like Dorsett fights John Scott and gets pounded through the ice. Just helps the opposition when your tough guy loses all the time.

It's absoloutly about scaring them...you don't intimidate anyone when a guy like Dorsett fights John Scott and gets pounded through the ice. Just helps the opposition when your tough guy loses all the time.
- Bullfrog77

Youre missing the point....
its about making the other players on the team accountable like was said by thunder a few posts ago

Their tough guy doesnt factor in if hes on the bench sitting cause he has no value otherwise.

fear is good yes but youre looking at it one dimensionally

It's absoloutly about scaring them...you don't intimidate anyone when a guy like Dorsett fights John Scott and gets pounded through the ice. Just helps the opposition when your tough guy loses all the time.
- Bullfrog77

Scared. Thats not a word used in mans vocabulary.

It's absoloutly about scaring them...you don't intimidate anyone when a guy like Dorsett fights John Scott and gets pounded through the ice. Just helps the opposition when your tough guy loses all the time.
- Bullfrog77

Yeah it tells all other teams that the Canucks cant or wont defend themselves, so do what ever you want to them, then every 30-40 games the Canucks give some push back like against FLO and we all cheer like fools, where's the push back every period?

Youre missing the point....
its about making the other players on the team accountable like was said by thunder a few posts ago

Their tough guy doesnt factor in if hes on the bench sitting cause he has no value otherwise.

fear is good yes but youre looking at it one dimensionally
- SMBDragon

Oh please....Henri k gets a bionic elbow in the face and the rookie backed him up. No Dorsett no Prust. No detterent. They took liberties and took the body to em all night. There's no accountability, opposition is told to play the Sedins hard and they do...no fear of retribution because they know they can wipe the floor with Dorsett an Prust. Why do the heavy teams beat us all the time ? Because everyone on their roster plays tougher then our " tough guys "

Scared. Thats not a word used in mans vocabulary.
- thundachunk

Yeah ok...

Yeah it tells all other teams that the Canucks cant or wont defend themselves, so do what ever you want to them, then every 30-40 games the Canucks give some push back like against FLO and we all cheer like fools, where's the push back every period?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Exactly....but when Brashear was here...he scared everybody...teammates included.

So you want no one on this team that provides toughness and fights?
JB felt we needed these guys, I trust him. Remember this is just regular season... they guys will matter big in the Playoffs

This is a problem I see in the fan base (Im not directing this at you)....they beg and beg for toughness ...they scream how the team is weak blah blah blah. We get a couple guys and everyone wants them gone. It a stupid retarded cycle of b i tching in the vancouver fan base.
Complain you dont have something and then once you get it complain about him the whole time. So lets say we get rid of them....the B i tching will be that we let them go for nothing or didnt get enough return or how dare we trade our toughness.

the complaining just NEVER ENDS no matter what happens.

Im really starting to wonder if this forum is filled with a bunch of cranky old women in menopause that havent had any sausage in years
- SMBDragon

Good post...imagine this team without Prust, Dorset or Sbisa. It would be pathetic and the kids would get crushed.

Good post...imagine this team without Prust, Dorset or Sbisa. It would be pathetic and the kids would get crushed.
- CanuckDon

Wake up...it's pathetic with them

Oh please....Henri k gets a bionic elbow in the face and the rookie backed him up. No Dorsett no Prust. No detterent. They took liberties and took the body to em all night. There's no accountability, opposition is told to play the Sedins hard and they do...no fear of retribution because they know they can wipe the floor with Dorsett an Prust. Why do the heavy teams beat us all the time ? Because everyone on their roster plays tougher then our " tough guys "
- Bullfrog77

Bionic elbow this is gold.

Its not about scaring its about setting a tone and a precedent. Making other teams think twice about f@cking around.
- thundachunk

exactly...

all this talk of john scott. He doesnt seem to have much value in the nhl. Been traded how many times in what 2 seasons? Career looks over.

what we need is a big mean D man thats parks himself just inside our blueline on the rush and through fear creates hesitation in opposition forwards .....that creates constant offside calls, or forces a dump in....thus nullifying their offence.

Exactly....but when Brashear was here...he scared everybody...teammates included.
- Bullfrog77

Yeah, only way to beat him was from behind with a stick.

exactly...

all this talk of john scott. He doesnt seem to have much value in the nhl. Been traded how many times in what 2 seasons? Career looks over.

what we need is a big mean D man thats parks himself just inside our blueline on the rush and through fear creates hesitation in opposition forwards .....that creates constant offside calls, or forces a dump in....thus nullifying their offence.
- SMBDragon

For christ's sake it was a joke! do you really think we all want John Scott on this team?

Yeah it tells all other teams that the Canucks cant or wont defend themselves, so do what ever you want to them, then every 30-40 games the Canucks give some push back like against FLO and we all cheer like fools, where's the push back every period?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I disagree, Dorsett is a good energy player but him being willing to drop the gloves doesn't stop people taking liberties. You either need to make them pay on the scoreboard or get a mad dog who will actually do some damage.

I can't cheer for Torres but the opposition needed to be thinking about him when he was on the ice, Kassian at times had it, Gino had it, Lucic has it (still don't want him).Chara is another, Pronger, Primeau. Even Jovo who didn't fight often, did try to take your head when he did go. That makes guys think twice, hell Rypien made guys think twice because he would do damage and make you look stupid.

Prust used to be that guy a bit but not for a long time, Dorsett has never been a deterrent just a willing combatant and energy guy.

Oh please....Henri k gets a bionic elbow in the face and the rookie backed him up. No Dorsett no Prust. No detterent. They took liberties and took the body to em all night. There's no accountability, opposition is told to play the Sedins hard and they do...no fear of retribution because they know they can wipe the floor with Dorsett an Prust. Why do the heavy teams beat us all the time ? Because everyone on their roster plays tougher then our " tough guys "
- Bullfrog77

well you sure are opinionated, which is OK. So am I.

we are telling you you are missing some of this. Please try to see beyond your view here, theres more here.

But I agree heavier teams do steamroll us. But its not cause of an enforcer ....its just the team is overall bigger, powering their way through to pucks, hits etc. It wins games

Tell me again how 2 bieaga's a first round pick and 4 mil in cap relief wouldn't be better for the rebuild?
- Bullfrog77

I disagree, however I agree if we can replace steady Eddie and get some picks.
If we could do Edler for(not 2 defenceman but one) yandle or similar and a first round pick.
Resign yandle or whomever.

It's what we should have done when we signed garrison. Replace LHD with FA LHD.
Ie;sign garrison trade Edler

Asset management.

I'm watching the game on pvr so I'm not gonna read ahead until I've caught up.

Hopefully I'm still in a good mood when I find out the final score.

well you sure are opinionated, which is OK. So am I.

we are telling you you are missing some of this. Please try to see beyond your view here, theres more here.

But I agree heavier teams do steamroll us. But its not cause of an enforcer ....its just the team is overall bigger, powering their way through to pucks, hits etc. It wins games
- SMBDragon

You are right, 5.15 mil on 2 fighters who lose fights is a good idea.

For christ's sake it was a joke! do you really think we all want John Scott on this team?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I wasnt referring to your post steamer. Settle down please.

I got you were joking with your 4 john scotts.

I meant more like the last week people been mentioning him. N no I would hope not
I dont exactly sit here all day reading this stuff, I cant, I have stuff to do. So I skipped over yesterdays posts on him I believe

I wasnt referring to your post steamer. Settle down please.

I got you were joking with your 4 john scotts.

I meant more like the last week people been mentioning him. N no I would hope not
I dont exactly sit here all day reading this stuff, I cant, I have stuff to do. So I skipped over yesterdays posts on him I believe
- SMBDragon

You are talking to more than one person.

exactly...

all this talk of john scott. He doesnt seem to have much value in the nhl. Been traded how many times in what 2 seasons? Career looks over.

what we need is a big mean D man thats parks himself just inside our blueline on the rush and through fear creates hesitation in opposition forwards .....that creates constant offside calls, or forces a dump in....thus nullifying their offence.
- SMBDragon

You're right it slows down the game. Its not about fear its about a game within a game. If you're 4th line is only out there when there needs to be a fight then its a 3 line team. You need a 4th line that can play. Knowing you can throw out the 4th line anytime during a game and count on them to not only create energy but it lets other teams know that line could be the next line up against you're top line and gun for your top players. Look at NYI's 4th line very similar.

Scared. Thats not a word used in mans vocabulary.
- thundachunk

Speak for yourself. I'm going to be a dad soon and I'm fcking terrified.