First of all, Jim Rutherford is a dinosaur when it comes to GM's, he's slowly gonna destroy that lineup and it doesn't look like they're smart enough to stop him?

Secondly, the whole Luongo, Schneider thing is really silly if you look at the big picture of the franchise. In 2013 you could see this was an aged group with zero push from below coming. Neither of those guys would be helping the current Canucks, with seven players playing their first NHL game this year, become Cup contenders...it was time to turn the page.

Schneider got us Horvat, who looks to be a really good young player, and Luongo got us cap relief and Jacob Markstrom. What they did with the the cap space is irrelevant. Lu is 36 and Schneider is 30 in a few months, as the team transitions to youth I'm glad neither is here to help the team finish 10th to 14th instead of bottom six.
- LeftCoaster

You've really made the best of a bad situation. Unsarcastic kudos to you.

That's all you've got?
- LeftCoaster

You know how sometimes there's a small job to do around the house, maybe fix a crack or give a room a fresh coat of paint, and you do it no problem? And then other times the best bet is to just to empty the gas can all over that sumfemale dog, strike up a match and walk away?

This was one of those latter situations

Toronto has 2 top line players? A top Defencemen? A starting Goaltender?


Ohh, Please stop... my ribs hurt...
The leafs top 2 forwards would be decent top 6 forward on the majority of teams in the NHL. Even the canucks are lolling at this. We one of the worse teams in the league but Dank + Hank >>> Kadri + JVR, hell I'd go so far as to say Dorsett + Hank > Kadri + JVR
The leafs top defencemen are decent top 6 defencemen, maybe a #4.
Salary aside, in a 7 game series, 30 out of 30 teams would take Nion dion over Gardiner.
Like the Oilers The leafs have a pair of decent Backup goalies.
Again, I'll use one of the worst teams in the NHL, The Canucks Goaltending Markstrome + Miller >>>> Riemer + Bernier
- Pres.cup

A statistical analysis of all defensemen statistical categories puts Gardiner firmly in the top ten. Let's say you don't buy that, you can't possibly rank him lower than 15-20. He would be Edmonton's best defenseman and they'd have a chance at making a run.

Don't forget, he's got one of the absolute best value contracts in the NHL.

As for Reimer, he is statistically the best goalie in the NHL right now. A mid-range first in a world where Antoine Vermette and David Perron recently were traded for the same thing is not absurd at all.

A team like Nashville would be first in the NHL if they got even the average Reimer, let alone this Vezina quality version we've been seeing for the last half year.

A statistical analysis of all defensemen statistical categories puts Gardiner firmly in the top ten. Let's say you don't buy that, you can't possibly rank him lower than 15-20. He would be Edmonton's best defenseman and they'd have a chance at making a run.

Don't forget, he's got one of the absolute best value contracts in the NHL.

As for Reimer, he is statistically the best goalie in the NHL right now. A mid-range first in a world where Antoine Vermette and David Perron recently were traded for the same thing is not absurd at all.

A team like Nashville would be first in the NHL if they got even the average Reimer, let alone this Vezina quality version we've been seeing for the last half year.
- James_Tanner

Why are the leafs bad?

A statistical analysis of all defensemen statistical categories puts Gardiner firmly in the top ten. Let's say you don't buy that, you can't possibly rank him lower than 15-20. He would be Edmonton's best defenseman and they'd have a chance at making a run.

Don't forget, he's got one of the absolute best value contracts in the NHL.

As for Reimer, he is statistically the best goalie in the NHL right now. A mid-range first in a world where Antoine Vermette and David Perron recently were traded for the same thing is not absurd at all.

A team like Nashville would be first in the NHL if they got even the average Reimer, let alone this Vezina quality version we've been seeing for the last half year.
- James_Tanner

You say this stuff,not us Leaf fans

Why are the leafs bad?
- rmdevil313

Because you touch yourself at night

Why are the leafs bad?
- rmdevil313

Carlyle ... has to be Carlyle


Really it's because their players aren't that good, despite what Jame's "statistics" say. But they compete hard.

Why are the leafs bad?
- rmdevil313

Unsustainable unlucky shouting percentage

Because you touch yourself at night
- lumlums

I guess I should upgrade to the premium account on pornhub. (frank) the leafs.

I guess I should upgrade to the premium account on pornhub. (frank) the leafs.
- rmdevil313

Carlyle ... has to be Carlyle


Really it's because their players aren't that good, despite what Jame's "statistics" say. But the compete hard.
- LeftCoaster

My guess is James will say luck.

According to you Lou is playing way above his head and is only decent. Reimer is a good goalie, and his average is better than most goalies. I wouldn't say you have that completely backwards, but its pretty damn close. Reimer is playing way above his head, i't not saying he is bad, but he is in no way an upgrade over Rinne.

A statistical analysis of all defensemen statistical categories puts Gardiner firmly in the top ten. Let's say you don't buy that, you can't possibly rank him lower than 15-20. He would be Edmonton's best defenseman and they'd have a chance at making a run.

Don't forget, he's got one of the absolute best value contracts in the NHL.

As for Reimer, he is statistically the best goalie in the NHL right now. A mid-range first in a world where Antoine Vermette and David Perron recently were traded for the same thing is not absurd at all.

A team like Nashville would be first in the NHL if they got even the average Reimer, let alone this Vezina quality version we've been seeing for the last half year.
- James_Tanner

I agree with the Bolded.
If you could pair a player like Gardiner with a legit #1 defencemen who would cover for his defensive lapses then he would put up points.
Unfortunately, for him, a true top 30 d-man in the NHL should be able to cover for his partner and make them look like an All-star. He doesn't

A statistical analysis of all defensemen statistical categories puts Gardiner firmly in the top ten. Let's say you don't buy that, you can't possibly rank him lower than 15-20. He would be Edmonton's best defenseman and they'd have a chance at making a run.

Don't forget, he's got one of the absolute best value contracts in the NHL.

As for Reimer, he is statistically the best goalie in the NHL right now. A mid-range first in a world where Antoine Vermette and David Perron recently were traded for the same thing is not absurd at all.

A team like Nashville would be first in the NHL if they got even the average Reimer, let alone this Vezina quality version we've been seeing for the last half year.
- James_Tanner

Except for ANY scoring categories. Goals, assists, even strength points. Is he near the top 10 in any category?

Except for ANY scoring categories. Goals, assists, even strength points. Is he near the top 10 in any category?
- sbroads24

i think he's top 3 in goals that deflected off opposing d-men, on the road, on thursdays.

anyone who says that gardiner is a top 10 d-man in the leauge is just looking for hits.................plain and simple. (karlsson, doughty, OEL, mcdonough, subban, keith, seabrook, weber, ekblad, josi, letang, suter, giordano, pietrangelo, klingberg, hedman, stralman, carlson, muzzin, burns, vlassic) that's like 20 who are better and i didn't even have to think hard about it.

it's also the same guy who claimed minny would give dumba and a 1st for kadri.

"If you're a Canucks fan and you have to watch both Luongo and Schneider compete for the Vezina as they attempt to drag garbage teams into the Playoffs"

The Panthers are a garbage team??

What hockey have you been watching the last 6 weeks?

I agree with the Bolded.
If you could pair a player like Gardiner with a legit #1 defencemen who would cover for his defensive lapses then he would put up points.
Unfortunately, for him, a true top 30 d-man in the NHL should be able to cover for his partner and make them look like an All-star. He doesn't
- Pres.cup

You clearly don't watch Gardiner so no point commenting about him.

i think he's top 3 in goals that deflected off opposing d-men, on the road, on thursdays.

anyone who says that gardiner is a top 10 d-man in the leauge is just looking for hits.................plain and simple. (karlsson, doughty, OEL, mcdonough, subban, keith, seabrook, weber, ekblad, josi, letang, suter, giordano, pietrangelo, klingberg, hedman, stralman, carlson, muzzin, burns, vlassic) that's like 20 who are better and i didn't even have to think hard about it.

it's also the same guy who claimed minny would give dumba and a 1st for kadri.
- sensarmy_11

Good list. Are we still calling Karlsson a d-man?

"If you're a Canucks fan and you have to watch both Luongo and Schneider compete for the Vezina as they attempt to drag garbage teams into the Playoffs"

The Panthers are a garbage team??

What hockey have you been watching the last 6 weeks?
- leeroggy

Coyote and Maple Leaf?

Good list. Are we still calling Karlsson a d-man?
- djamon

Karlsson is unbelievable.

Karlsson is unbelievable.
- ClarksonDavid

He does unbelievable things...for sure.

He does unbelievable things...for sure.
- djamon

You should watch him more often. Sens are a train wreck when he's not on the ice, when he is he makes things happen for his team more then any other dman in the league.

You should watch him more often. Sens are a train wreck when he's not on the ice, when he is he makes things happen for his team more then any other dman in the league.
- ClarksonDavid

He's a complete trainwreck in his own zone, probably getting worse. He'll get Norris votes every year, but he's the definition of one-dimensional.

Except for ANY scoring categories. Goals, assists, even strength points. Is he near the top 10 in any category?
- sbroads24

Hes one of the most defensivley effective dmen in the nhl. He doesn't score a ton, but doesn't need to. Hes still a 30-40 dman.

He's a complete trainwreck in his own zone, probably getting worse. He'll get Norris votes every year, but he's the definition of one-dimensional.
- djamon

This is what im dealing with!