he's had a rough stretch (so has the entire leafs team) but he's still been good this year.

top 10 in the league is ridiculous......but he's been very good.
- sensarmy_11

Check out the difference of QOC and dzone starts between him and Rielly...You'll understand why he looks a little better than he actually is.

i have never in my life seen a set of standards as low as those in Toronto for the Leafs

Karlsson's skating ability is such an asset when he defends. Even if he does get beat 1 on 1, which is rare, he often recovers due to his speed.
- rangerdanger94

early in his career his defense was pretty bad.....but he's learned what his skills are (skating, positioning, stick work) and built his game around that.

he's obviously not a shut down guy, but he's certainly much better than average in his own zone.....i'd even say he's very good at this point......when matched with his offensive ability (which is undeniably the best in the league) easily makes for one of the 2-3 best overall d-men in the league.

Check out the difference of QOC and dzone starts between him and Rielly...You'll understand why he looks a little better than he actually is.
- Garnie

oh, don't get me wrong....i think rielly is a much better d-man. just saying that gardiner has been better this year. he's been pretty awful the last couple years, so it's been a nice rebound season. he's turned into a legit top 4 guy.....and obviously i mean a top 4 pairing guy, not top 4 in the league....cough tanner is crazy cough cough

early in his career his defense was pretty bad.....but he's learned what his skills are (skating, positioning, stick work) and built his game around that.

he's obviously not a shut down guy, but he's certainly much better than average in his own zone.....i'd even say he's very good at this point......when matched with his offensive ability (which is undeniably the best in the league) easily makes for one of the 2-3 best overall d-men in the league.
- sensarmy_11

Meh, not everyone agrees....but he's certainly gifted offensively.

oh, don't get me wrong....i think rielly is a much better d-man. just saying that gardiner has been better this year. he's been pretty awful the last couple years, so it's been a nice rebound season. he's turned into a legit top 4 guy.....and obviously i mean a top 4 pairing guy, not top 4 in the league....cough tanner is crazy cough cough
- sensarmy_11

Better usage and a better p than he's had in the past IMO

What? You're a lunatic.

You know players ( especially goalies ) have peaks and valleys. Reimer couldn't hold Rinne's jock most years...he has has 1/2 season of being poor and now James " I got no glove hand" Reimer is an upgrade.
- Garnie

Rinne has a career sv% of .918 compared to Reimer's .915... given the defense in front of him he should be killing it but he isn't. At $7m per you expect more out of your goalie. And at 33, he's not going to get much improved from here...

i have never in my life seen a set of standards as low as those in Toronto for the Leafs
- DoubleDown

Maybe ask you other half about her expectations for yourself???

Rinne has a career sv% of .918 compared to Reimer's .915... given the defense in front of him he should be killing it but he isn't. At $7m per you expect more out of your goalie. And at 33, he's not going to get much improved from here...
- lumlums

Meh, Rinne's>Reimer...Reimer has had a great start to this year...not his norm....Rinne has had a terrible start to this year...not the norm.

I'd take a 33 yr old Rinne over Reim's any day.

IMO

The fact that you think Gardiner has been better than Rielly this year explains why you feel Karlsson is better than average in his own zone. It's all clear now, you're a retard.

Thanks.
- djamon

I think he meant Gards has been better this year then he was last year.

He doesn't think Gards is better than Rielly

Check out the difference of QOC and dzone starts between him and Rielly...You'll understand why he looks a little better than he actually is.
- Garnie

But..but... Tanner says zone starts don't matter!




I'm surprised he hasn't yet claimed that of course, Gardiner and Kadri face a lower QOC than other Leafs, because Gardiner and Kadri are always the best players on the ice no matter what and therefore it's impossible for them to face a higher QOC than themselves.

The fact that you think Gardiner has been better than Rielly this year explains why you feel Karlsson is better than average in his own zone. It's all clear now, you're a retard.

Thanks.
- djamon

you english no read good

I think he meant Gards has been better this year then he was last year.

He doesn't think Gards is better than Rielly
- annoyed

Someone compared the zone starts of Rielly and Gardiner, and the guy said Gardiner had been better this year. If he meant what you said he needs to learn how to write, if he meant what I said then he's a dumbass.

The fact that you think Gardiner has been better than Rielly this year explains why you feel Karlsson is better than average in his own zone. It's all clear now, you're a retard.

Thanks.
- djamon

Gardiner is way better than Rielly.Significantly. Hes also way older, but there's no guarantee Rielly is ever as good as Gardiner is today.

But..but... Tanner says zone starts don't matter!




I'm surprised he hasn't yet claimed that of course, Gardiner and Kadri face a lower QOC than other Leafs, because Gardiner and Kadri are always the best players on the ice no matter what and therefore it's impossible for them to face a higher QOC than themselves.
- TheMaritimer

The long term effects of better zone starts and qoc have virtually no effect. Not my opinion, proven fact. Might as well say global warming is fake.

But..but... Tanner says zone starts don't matter!




I'm surprised he hasn't yet claimed that of course, Gardiner and Kadri face a lower QOC than other Leafs, because Gardiner and Kadri are always the best players on the ice no matter what and therefore it's impossible for them to face a higher QOC than themselves.
- TheMaritimer

Tanner could be right about QOC, over a whole career or 2 careers or some magic #. But when I look at Rielly's QOC and piles of more Dzone starts its not hard to figure out that my eyes are not lying Rielly>Gardiner ( this year ) If you had a clue about hockey you can see Rielly is headband shoulders better than Gardiner.

I think he meant Gards has been better this year then he was last year.

He doesn't think Gards is better than Rielly
- annoyed

He did call Gardiner a top 10 defenceman.
If he doesn't think that he is better then Reilly then he thinks that both of them at top 10.

I mean, I really like Rielly but that would be a stretch, having two top 10 players on your team at one time is unreal.

Gardiner is way better than Rielly.Significantly. Hes also way older, but there's no guarantee Rielly is ever as good as Gardiner is today.
- James_Tanner

No, not even close. The guy who whispers these things to you is wrong.

Gardiner is way better than Rielly.Significantly. Hes also way older, but there's no guarantee Rielly is ever as good as Gardiner is today.
- James_Tanner

I do agree with this.
Rielly should be better then Gardiner at some point in the future, he had a much higher ceiling. Right now Rielly is still learning the things that took Gardiner some time to learn.
The gap is not very big.

The long term effects of better zone starts and qoc have virtually no effect. Not my opinion, proven fact. Might as well say global warming is fake.
- James_Tanner

Long term, we're talking about this year and the QOC and zone starts have a great impact.

Tanner could be right about QOC, over a whole career or 2 careers or some magic #. But when I look at Rielly's QOC and piles of more Dzone starts its not hard to figure out that my eyes are not lying Rielly>Gardiner ( this year ) If you had a clue about hockey you can see Rielly is headband shoulders better than Gardiner.
- annoyed

"headband shoulders"???


#UsingIt

Tanner Logic:

Gardiner>Weber
Reimer>Rinne

Leafs - 38 points
Preds - 48 points

"headband shoulders"???


#UsingIt
- lumlums

(frank)ing fat fingers on my phone

(frank)ing fat fingers on my phone
- annoyed

Gardiner is way better than Rielly.Significantly. Hes also way older, but there's no guarantee Rielly is ever as good as Gardiner is today.
- James_Tanner

Oh boy.