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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 18 @ 10:23 AM ET
See, I don't like Jones. He's OK, but nothing special, IMO.

I love Boucher. I think he's going to get a national job.

- Jsaquella

I think Jones does a great job at explaining things as straight forward as possible. He also has a bit of snark to him. If anything he is a bit monotone, but I really like what he brings.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 10:23 AM ET
Great win on the road against a strong team. Red Wings are for real. Datsyuk and Zetterbeard are still amazing after all these years.
- ChoclitLeClair


Datsyuk's shootout was jaw-dropping in how "ho hum" he made it seem. It was beautiful and he made it seem effortless.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 18 @ 10:27 AM ET
NBC really needs to blow things up. I feel like they've gone the ESPN/Skip Bayless route with their NHL coverage.
- PhillySportsGuy

You seem to be a big fan of blowing things up...
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 18 @ 10:28 AM ET
Guess we'll see weal Tuesday.

Whites got a better chance of hitting powerball than avoiding a suspension

- Just5


It was very similar to the hit he laid on poor old Kent Huskins three years ago, except he didn't catch the chin so cleanly.

I like White overall, but it was a stupid, unnecessary hit. And the PK is better when Hakstol can't use him because he's not good at it. Laughton's lack of PK time recently has been very strange, because he's already better at it than White.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 10:28 AM ET
You are correct: I absolutely have seen accidental contact get called for a penalty. I have, so you are correct.

However, I have NEVER seen it when the player never entered the crease, or wasn't in the crease. When I have seen it called, it was always something I could fathom, even when I didn't agree, because the player interaction with the goalie was either in the crease or while he was passing through it.

That's the part that infuriates me: Simmonds never was in the crease. I understand you can still be penalized outside of the crease if it's intentional contact, but what we saw last night...wow. Deep breath. Because it is over, the Flyers won. But (frank) me, that's a bad (frank)ing call on the penalty, and I am just glad it didn't prove costly

- AllInForFlyers


If you read the rules, it's about whether the goaltender is positioned inside, or outside of the crease that is most important. I don't think there is any doubt that the contact wasn't intentional, but I think that's how it would be called the majority of times. I think the refs are directed to call it that way.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 18 @ 10:28 AM ET
I think Jones does a great job at explaining things as straight forward as possible. He also has a bit of snark to him. If anything he is a bit monotone, but I really like what he brings.
- jak521


I do like Jones.

Miller/Ferraro are the best in the business, and I keep hoping that Miller somehow becomes NBC's lead guy when Emerick goes. TSN losing Canada's national rights for basically forever...I can dream
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 10:33 AM ET
You are correct: I absolutely have seen accidental contact get called for a penalty. I have, so you are correct.

However, I have NEVER seen it when the player never entered the crease, or wasn't in the crease. When I have seen it called, it was always something I could fathom, even when I didn't agree, because the player interaction with the goalie was either in the crease or while he was passing through it.

That's the part that infuriates me: Simmonds never was in the crease. I understand you can still be penalized outside of the crease if it's intentional contact, but what we saw last night...wow. Deep breath. Because it is over, the Flyers won. But (frank) me, that's a bad (frank)ing call on the penalty, and I am just glad it didn't prove costly

- AllInForFlyers


Simmonds should have just pulled a Lucic and steamrolled Mrazek, as there was no call when Lucic ran Miller outside of the crease. Sure, you can run him as hard as you want, but God forbid you accidentally tap him.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 18 @ 10:41 AM ET
Datsyuk's shootout was jaw-dropping in how "ho hum" he made it seem. It was beautiful and he made it seem effortless.
- jmatchett383


He got out there and I was like oh this will be good. Then I was sitting there saying did he really make it look easy?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 18 @ 10:43 AM ET
Datsyuk's shootout was jaw-dropping in how "ho hum" he made it seem. It was beautiful and he made it seem effortless.
- jmatchett383

I'll miss him greatly when he's gone
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jan 18 @ 10:44 AM ET
See, I don't like Jones. He's OK, but nothing special, IMO.

I love Boucher. I think he's going to get a national job.

- Jsaquella


What do you expect? He's a goalie. They are the smartest ones around!!

I agree, I think Boosh is great. I like Jones better in studio. I like it better when Clement does the color with Jackson.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 18 @ 10:46 AM ET
What do you expect? He's a goalie. They are the smartest ones around!!

I agree, I think Boosh is great. I like Jones better in studio. I like it better when Clement does the color with Jackson.

- hockeylover


I do prefer Jones in the studio. And he's not bad at all, I just don't like him as much as I thought I would, I guess.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 18 @ 10:47 AM ET
Simmonds should have just pulled a Lucic and steamrolled Mrazek, as there was no call when Lucic ran Miller outside of the crease. Sure, you can run him as hard as you want, but God forbid you accidentally tap him.
- jmatchett383


Ha! Exactly

But on another note: Tomorrow's game. I know you have to be wary of a letdown, but personally, I hope they come out like a pack of starving dogs, given how close they are to playoff position

The Leafs are just not good right now. JVR is out, some of the bit role players who were overachieving are playing like anyone would expect

This is a team you have to jump all over. This has to happen.

Please let it happen
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 18 @ 10:52 AM ET
Ha! Exactly

But on another note: Tomorrow's game. I know you have to be wary of a letdown, but personally, I hope they come out like a pack of starving dogs, given how close they are to playoff position

The Leafs are just not good right now. JVR is out, some of the bit role players who were overachieving are playing like anyone would expect

This is a team you have to jump all over. This has to happen.

Please let it happen

- AllInForFlyers


Yeah they need to come out on fire and really bring it hard to Toronto. No let down, no looking past the Leafs, just come out and TCB
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 18 @ 10:52 AM ET
the other replay angles do show the contact with the head better. it's hard to tell if he pulls to the right on his own after the contact or if his head really turns due to the contact itself. i get the call....ok...but i don't agree with it at all....certainly not the penalty to simmonds. that's (frank)ing absurd.
- hammarby31

I didn't hate that call as much as I hated the scramble in front that Simmer buried. The puck was loose the whole time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 10:54 AM ET
Yeah they need to come out on fire and really bring it hard to Toronto. No let down, no looking past the Leafs, just come out and TCB
- Jsaquella


Twirl Chewy Broccoli???
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 18 @ 10:57 AM ET
I didn't hate that call as much as I hated the scramble in front that Simmer buried. The puck was loose the whole time.
- Flyers1218


They need to change the rule to say the ref should only blow his whistle when he's sure the puck is covered.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jan 18 @ 10:57 AM ET
Twirl Chewy Broccoli???
- jmatchett383

Tight Checking Bullies
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 18 @ 10:59 AM ET
Twirl Chewy Broccoli???
- jmatchett383


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 11:00 AM ET
Tight Checking Bullies
- vejim


Twinkle-toed Crumb Bums
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jan 18 @ 11:01 AM ET
Thanks Bill. I hope that Schenn is ok, since he has been playing well of late. I don't like that Simmer had both the goal disallowed, and the penalty called since it seemed to be incidental contact. If someone's butt gets the penalty from jumping up, and down, then why wasn't the glove hit on Neuvy called? Just sayin'.
White's suspension will allow someone else to fill in. Dare is say, the new guy? Or maybe CMcD?
Man, the Flyers could use the Red Wings as the school on learning how to pass the puck. In addition, the gap between the forwards, and D was horrible. How can you sit, and watch the D struggle against all three forwards of the Wings? Hmmm...I'll just sit at the blue line, or red line waiting for the breakout pass. I would beat the forwards up, if I was the coach, and tell them quit waiting for the puck to come to them, and to go get the puck. Oh, and since we are on the forwards subject, high, and wide doesn't constitute a solid shot on goal. If you can't hit the net, then why are you playing? We really need some snipers, or finishers. Finally, shot the darn puck, and quit trying to be fancy with the nice pass.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 18 @ 11:07 AM ET
Thanks Bill. I hope that Schenn is ok, since he has been playing well of late. I don't like that Simmer had both the goal disallowed, and the penalty called since it seemed to be incidental contact. If someone's butt gets the penalty from jumping up, and down, then why wasn't the glove hit on Neuvy called? Just sayin'.
White's suspension will allow someone else to fill in. Dare is say, the new guy? Or maybe CMcD?
Man, the Flyers could use the Red Wings as the school on learning how to pass the puck. In addition, the gap between the forwards, and D was horrible. How can you sit, and watch the D struggle against all three forwards of the Wings? Hmmm...I'll just sit at the blue line, or red line waiting for the breakout pass. I would beat the forwards up, if I was the coach, and tell them quit waiting for the puck to come to them, and to go get the puck. Oh, and since we are on the forwards subject, high, and wide doesn't constitute a solid shot on goal. If you can't hit the net, then why are you playing? We really need some snipers, or finishers. Finally, shot the darn puck, and quit trying to be fancy with the nice pass.

- OrangeAndBlack1


Schenn and Voracek took major hits last night. Just seeing how far off the ice these guys fly after a hit, land and then comeback is nothing short of incredible.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 18 @ 11:14 AM ET
See, I don't like Jones. He's OK, but nothing special, IMO.

I love Boucher. I think he's going to get a national job.

- Jsaquella


He has one. He splits his time between NBC/NHL network
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 18 @ 11:15 AM ET
They need to change the rule to say the ref should only blow his whistle when he's sure the puck is covered.
- Feanor


Until it is covered but they dont see it and its knocked into the goal...

Those plays you can't really complain about. Just call them all the same and usually it ends up working out for everyone in the long run.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 18 @ 11:19 AM ET
They really have. JR & Jonesy didn't annoy me, though and usually I can't stand JR.
- Jsaquella


I feel the same about JR. He can hardly speak and when his jumbled statement finally concludes, it tends to make little sense.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
He has one. He splits his time between NBC/NHL network
- YuenglingJagr


I mean full time, national network gig as a lead analyst
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