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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 18 @ 12:22 PM ET
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- PhillySportsGuy


That makes Camden look like a vibrant real estate market.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jan 18 @ 12:25 PM ET
I am sure you guys have seen Kensington and North Philly
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 18 @ 12:47 PM ET
Bottom line is that it was an entertaining game, made even better because the flyers won. Even better so because they won in overtime.

But the point is that more often then not, their games are entertaining to watch again. They seem to have become comfortable with Hakstol's system and are playing well within their roles.

Coots has stepped up his game greatly, finally beginning to show what was expected of him, making the second line a dangerous one . Ghost has added a dynamic to the backend that we've never seen (with all due respects to Mark Howe). The D side of the puck has tightened up considerably and both of the #1 and #1a goaltenders have player very well.

The rules are what they are and some still need to be tightened up. But the NHL has always had difficult time addressing those which are simply poorly written - by most accounts - and have failed to adequately clarify them when attempting to do so.

Understood the game moves at a tremendous pace on the ice and it's difficult to see everything clearly down there at real speed, like the White hit, but the goalie interference calls have been one that has always made me cringe. And Jones' on-air explanation of the rule further exemplifies the murkiness of it.

If a player establishes his position outside the blue paint, and if the goaltender moves out to cause the contact, it should be no penalty. Simmonds clearly got to a legal position before Mrazek. It should be goalies beware it they choose to slide out of the paint toward the player to get a better sight line or angle.

My opinion on White's hit was that is was shoulder to chest, or at the very least an attempt to do so, further evidenced by Jurco(?) not missing a shift. The bigger question was whether it was, what they like to call, predatory. It was a half a second after the puck was passed, but the skater was in a vulnerable position when checked. It was clean (shoulder to chest) but dangerous. That, I believe, will be the problem.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 1:02 PM ET
I just saw the White hit on Jurco. If nothing else, it's what I'd call "predatory." It was a hit that didn't need to happen and was not made to separate the player from the puck, more to try to pulverize a defenseless player. His left skate didn't leave the ice, so he didn't pull a Downie. Although I don't think it was any worse than a lot of Kronwall's hits, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 2-3 game vacation.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 18 @ 1:03 PM ET
Bottom line is that it was an entertaining game, made even better because the flyers won. Even better so because they won in overtime.

But the point is that more often then not, their games are entertaining to watch again. They seem to have become comfortable with Hakstol's system and are playing well within their roles.

Coots has stepped up his game greatly, finally beginning to show what was expected of him, making the second line a dangerous one . Ghost has added a dynamic to the backend that we've never seen (with all due respects to Mark Howe). The D side of the puck has tightened up considerably and both of the #1 and #1a goaltenders have player very well.

The rules are what they are and some still need to be tightened up. But the NHL has always had difficult time addressing those which are simply poorly written - by most accounts - and have failed to adequately clarify them when attempting to do so.

Understood the game moves at a tremendous pace on the ice and it's difficult to see everything clearly down there at real speed, like the White hit, but the goalie interference calls have been one that has always made me cringe. And Jones' on-air explanation of the rule further exemplifies the murkiness of it.

If a player establishes his position outside the blue paint, and if the goaltender moves out to cause the contact, it should be no penalty. Simmonds clearly got to a legal position before Mrazek. It should be goalies beware it they choose to slide out of the paint toward the player to get a better sight line or angle.

My opinion on White's hit was that is was shoulder to chest, or at the very least an attempt to do so, further evidenced by Jurco(?) not missing a shift. The bigger question was whether it was, what they like to call, predatory. It was a half a second after the puck was passed, but the skater was in a vulnerable position when checked. It was clean (shoulder to chest) but dangerous. That, I believe, will be the problem.

- 77rams

Is it me or has ghost done that little steal in the neitral zone for a breakaway/oddman rush in about three games in a row now? Man he is dangerous offensively.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 18 @ 1:04 PM ET
I just saw the White hit on Jurco. If nothing else, it's what I'd call "predatory." It was a hit that didn't need to happen and was not made to separate the player from the puck, more to try to pulverize a defenseless player. His left skate didn't leave the ice, so he didn't pull a Downie. Although I don't think it was any worse than a lot of Kronwall's hits, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 2-3 game vacation.
- jmatchett383


White has a predatory hit in his past that got him 5 if they escalate it ... we could be looking at 8-10
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 18 @ 1:07 PM ET
White has a predatory hit in his past that got him 5 if they escalate it ... we could be looking at 8-10
- dragonoffrost


I was a big white fan at first, but now I'm just so so with him, so I wouldn't mind getting a chance to see weal in there for a few games.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 1:07 PM ET
Is it me or has ghost done that little steal in the neitral zone for a breakaway/oddman rush in about three games in a row now? Man he is dangerous offensively.
- JoeRussomanno


Ghost is crazy aggressive. Any time he feels like he can get to a puck, he goes for it. It;s exciting as hell watching him play, but he's always going to be a guy who is risky, much like his spin-o-rama/fall/leg kick sequence against NYR. With him, that's always going to be an issue, but I'd rather have him being aggressive and taking (smart) chances because, if he doesn't, he won't be effective.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 1:08 PM ET
I was a big white fan at first, but now I'm just so so with him, so I wouldn't mind getting a chance to see weal in there for a few games.
- funmaster18


White went on a little offensive mini-streak when he got healthy last season. This year, he's back to dime-a-dozen 4th liner. Nothing special, nothing bad. Could take or leave him.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 18 @ 1:08 PM ET
I just saw the White hit on Jurco. If nothing else, it's what I'd call "predatory." It was a hit that didn't need to happen and was not made to separate the player from the puck, more to try to pulverize a defenseless player. His left skate didn't leave the ice, so he didn't pull a Downie. Although I don't think it was any worse than a lot of Kronwall's hits, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 2-3 game vacation.
- jmatchett383

Maybe it was just me but looked like he was trying to protect ghost.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 1:09 PM ET


My opinion on White's hit was that is was shoulder to chest, or at the very least an attempt to do so, further evidenced by Jurco(?) not missing a shift. The bigger question was whether it was, what they like to call, predatory. It was a half a second after the puck was passed, but the skater was in a vulnerable position when checked. It was clean (shoulder to chest) but dangerous. That, I believe, will be the problem.

- 77rams


I'm not sure what you're looking at. Every replay I've seen is a shoulder to the jaw of Jurco. It's not a clean hit.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 18 @ 1:09 PM ET
White went on a little offensive mini-streak when he got healthy last season. This year, he's back to dime-a-dozen 4th liner. Nothing special, nothing bad. Could take or leave him.
- jmatchett383


yup. and with the way the team has been playing as a whole, I don't think his physical edge and "spark" as important anymore. It seems like everyone is finding that fire in their game finally.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 1:09 PM ET
I am sure you guys have seen Kensington and North Philly
- vejim


DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE KENSINGTON IS!?!?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 18 @ 1:09 PM ET
Ghost is crazy aggressive. Any time he feels like he can get to a puck, he goes for it. It;s exciting as hell watching him play, but he's always going to be a guy who is risky, much like his spin-o-rama/fall/leg kick sequence against NYR. With him, that's always going to be an issue, but I'd rather have him being aggressive and taking (smart) chances because, if he doesn't, he won't be effective.
- jmatchett383

He should take John Scott's place at the All Star Game.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 18 @ 1:09 PM ET
Ghost is crazy aggressive. Any time he feels like he can get to a puck, he goes for it. It;s exciting as hell watching him play, but he's always going to be a guy who is risky, much like his spin-o-rama/fall/leg kick sequence against NYR. With him, that's always going to be an issue, but I'd rather have him being aggressive and taking (smart) chances because, if he doesn't, he won't be effective.
- jmatchett383

Yea he has to find that happy place between aggresive and responsible defenseman.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 1:10 PM ET
White has a predatory hit in his past that got him 5 if they escalate it ... we could be looking at 8-10
- dragonoffrost



18 months for repeat offender status.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 1:10 PM ET
yup. and with the way the team has been playing as a whole, I don't think his physical edge and "spark" as important anymore. It seems like everyone is finding that fire in their game finally.
- funmaster18


All I'm reading here is that we need Rinaldo (the player) back ASAP.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 1:11 PM ET
He should take John Scott's place at the All Star Game.
- mayorofangrytown


Ghost for OEL?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 1:11 PM ET
Ghost is crazy aggressive. Any time he feels like he can get to a puck, he goes for it. It;s exciting as hell watching him play, but he's always going to be a guy who is risky, much like his spin-o-rama/fall/leg kick sequence against NYR. With him, that's always going to be an issue, but I'd rather have him being aggressive and taking (smart) chances because, if he doesn't, he won't be effective.
- jmatchett383


Teams are onto that spin move. Last couple of times, it's led to turnovers. Like you said, high risk, high reward. As he get's more experience, he'll make better choices.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 18 @ 1:12 PM ET
Maybe it was just me but looked like he was trying to protect ghost.
- JoeRussomanno


jurco just took a shot and was skating away from ghost before white laid him out
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 18 @ 1:12 PM ET
All I'm reading here is that we need Rinaldo (the player) back ASAP.
- jmatchett383


Need zac rinaldo, office grinder, to check people who type stuff as ridiculous as that
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 18 @ 1:12 PM ET
Ghost for OEL?
- jmatchett383

If they can make Scott disappear the NHL can make that happen as well.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 18 @ 1:13 PM ET
All I'm reading here is that we need Rinaldo (the player) back ASAP.
- jmatchett383


thank god my message came through in my post
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jan 18 @ 1:15 PM ET
I am sure you guys have seen Kensington and North Philly
- vejim

Went to school/lived there for 4 years, now I'm employed there. It's not pretty, but I just can't seem to get away.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 18 @ 1:16 PM ET
Went to school/lived there for 4 years, now I'm employed there. It's not pretty, but I just can't seem to get away.
- TobyFlenderson


ever think about going skydiving in costa rica?
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