If this Kadri deal was to happen it has Aquilini (frank)ing around with management written all over it. Trading away multiple young assets for an average player is exactly how JB (frank)s this rebuild up and brings about years of finishing just outside the playoffs. NO THANKS!!

If I was a fan of a 15 year rebuild id buy a Leafs jersey.

that would be too much for my liking. I don't see him as a true number one. I think he's just an above average #2. Can't pay that type of player 6mil
- Mungo

that's definetly the worry, above average 2 or 1. I think he's got the hands to do it, myself. But as others have mentioned the price may be too steep.

I think he signed him for various reasons, but in the end I don't disagree that we've got a lot bigger fish to fry in terms of how to use our assets. D and picks ftw!
- neem55

You can buy a Dman this year. It doesn't have to be a big signing , he just needs to be reliable

I am not an Edler Tanev fan but the can meet the needs defensively for two three more years unles you can upgrade.

Then you have Sbisa Hutton who are signed. Pedan can't be sent down .

I would extend Biega .

That's 6 Dmen. Get creative JB find two Dmen with 8 mil.

I agree, but let's call a spade a spade. hank teaching defensive technique is not as useful as Sutter (I'm keeping this description PG)
- neem55

You do realize both of these guys were lauded for their defensive game in junior right? They just need to adapt to a faster game with bigger players, they will. It's not like trying to teach a Kadri or Domi how to play in their own end.

Benning did not sign Sutter as a third line centre.

I honestly believe Bo MCCann Sutter and Vey will be fine . We are strong down the middle for years. Don't need Kadri
- VANTEL

Yeah and why give away younger players for someone who's only improved because it's his contract year.

If this Kadri deal was to happen it has Aquilini (frank)ing around with management written all over it. Trading away multiple young assets for an average player is exactly how JB (frank)s this rebuild up and brings about years of finishing just outside the playoffs. NO THANKS!!

If I was a fan of a 15 year rebuild id buy a Leafs jersey.
- mauryballstein

Come on now, Kadri is pretty far from average. If he played with JVR and wasn't saddled with all the defensive responsibility I think it would be clearer. For a small guy on a poop team his d numbers are very strong against the best of the best.

You can buy a Dman this year. It doesn't have to be a big signing , he just needs to be reliable

I am not an Edler Tanev fan but the can meet the needs defensively for two three more years unles you can upgrade.

Then you have Sbisa Hutton who are signed. Pedan can't be sent down .

I would extend Biega .

That's 6 Dmen. Get creative JB find two Dmen with 8 mil.
- VANTEL

Those are the Dmen Id want here too. I would consider moving Edler if we could get a young Dman not yet in his prime back, especially because I would be concerned when the wheels fall of much like they have with burrows, higgins etc. The others are all mid 20s and can grow with the team.

Yeah and why give away younger players for someone who's only improved because it's his contract year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

It is a red flag for sure.

Come on now, Kadri is pretty far from average. If he played with JVR and wasn't saddled with all the defensive responsibility I think it would be clearer. For a small guy on a poop team his d numbers are very strong against the best of the best.
- neem55

You're fighting a losing battle no one wants him but you.

Come on now, Kadri is pretty far from average. If he played with JVR and wasn't saddled with all the defensive responsibility I think it would be clearer. For a small guy on a poop team his d numbers are very strong against the best of the best.
- neem55

Hes an average 2nd liner with a not great contract. In no way would I want to mortgage the future for him. Center is the one position this team doesnt need to address unless its winning the lottery getting Mathews and its then us dealing McCann or whoever for defense help.

Those are the Dmen Id want here too. I would consider moving Edler if we could get a young Dman not yet in his prime back, especially because I would be concerned when the wheels fall of much like they have with burrows, higgins etc. The others are all mid 20s and can grow with the team.
- mauryballstein

Bartowski has struggled lately but I have heard more than once Benning likes him from the Boston days. I hope we upgrade, but Benning can be a funny dude.

Hes an average 2nd liner with a not great contract. In no way would I want to mortgage the future for him. Center is the one position this team doesnt need to address unless its winning the lottery getting Mathews and its then us dealing McCann or whoever for defense help.
- mauryballstein

Yeah he's not a great centre .he is decent plus.. I'd give him a B rating

Yeah and why give away younger players for someone who's only improved because it's his contract year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Definitely debatable whether that is the reason or whether babs is or whether its a young guy progressing. I'm pretty sure they are all a factor, people overthink the contract year IMO. You can't make yourself better for 82 games cause you want to get paid. For sure some guys step it up and it is the best incentive, but Kadri's points don't scream improvement so much as his effort and attention to detail.

Bartowski has struggled lately but I have heard more than once Benning likes him from the Boston days. I hope we upgrade, but Benning can be a funny dude.
- VANTEL

If he came back as a 7/8 guy I wouldnt care all that much. I just really hope we can land a true top 4 guy and then that 7/8 spot goes to Biega.

You're fighting a losing battle no one wants him but you.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I don't mind, I'm used to it and I like to hear good ideas/facts as to why he's not a good idea. I think the contract is a red flag for us and I agree that we've got enough centers, I've been pushing for drafting and trading for d on this thread for six months.

Hes an average 2nd liner with a not great contract. In no way would I want to mortgage the future for him. Center is the one position this team doesnt need to address unless its winning the lottery getting Mathews and its then us dealing McCann or whoever for defense help.
- mauryballstein

Definitely don't agree with your assessment of Kadri, but I agree we need a #1 and nothing else up the middle. I'm not sure if he is that outside of the leafs lineup or not. he might be. It's a risk, I'd rather see them trade for d and picks (which are also risks)

Hes an average 2nd liner with a not great contract. In no way would I want to mortgage the future for him. Center is the one position this team doesnt need to address unless its winning the lottery getting Mathews and its then us dealing McCann or whoever for defense help.
- mauryballstein

Kadri would help them make the playoffs this year and then not much more. I would have loved Kadri in a Luongo deal a few years ago, but not now. Rather see what Bo and McCann do and maybe miss the playoffs for a year or two and draft high.

Kadri would help them make the playoffs this year and then not much more. I would have loved Kadri in a Luongo deal a few years ago, but not now. Rather see what Bo and McCann do and maybe miss the playoffs for a year or two and draft high.
- bazz

This is the argument I would have made
Don't want to be getting in the playoffs

edit: don't see how he wouldn't help beyond this year though... seems kind of shortsighted.

I don't mind, I'm used to it and I like to hear good ideas/facts as to why he's not a good idea. I think the contract is a red flag for us and I agree that we've got enough centers, I've been pushing for drafting and trading for d on this thread for six months.
- neem55

Mostly because you have to give up something for Kadri who is not a big upgrade from what we have.

If you are looking for a guy that hat plays with a bit of grit , you can get one from UFA.

Keep going straight ahead . Draft a big scoring winger and we will say Kadri who?

Mostly because you have to give up something for Kadri who is not a big upgrade from what we have.

If you are looking for a guy that hat plays with a bit of grit , you can get one from UFA.

Keep going straight ahead . Draft a big scoring winger and we will say Kadri who?
- VANTEL

I think we both know I'm not into shipping out picks. All in all, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I was curious what everyone though, you guys have raised some good points. Except the one that he is average he might look that way on the laffs, who are his wingers?

Kadri would help them make the playoffs this year and then not much more. I would have loved Kadri in a Luongo deal a few years ago, but not now. Rather see what Bo and McCann do and maybe miss the playoffs for a year or two and draft high.
- bazz

That is exactly where I am at too.

I think we both know I'm not into shipping out picks. All in all, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I was curious what everyone though, you guys have raised some good points. Except the one that he is average he might look that way on the laffs, who are his wingers?
- neem55

I would rather use the money on Kadri somewhere else.

You do realize both of these guys were lauded for their defensive game in junior right? They just need to adapt to a faster game with bigger players, they will. It's not like trying to teach a Kadri or Domi how to play in their own end.
- golfingsince

yeah, it's nice they were good at d in junior. So was cole cassels, how's he doing in the AHL? NHL is a different animal it's pretty rare that guys get it and don't take a while to learn from their peers, which is different than simply adjusting.

I think we both know I'm not into shipping out picks. All in all, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I was curious what everyone though, you guys have raised some good points. Except the one that he is average he might look that way on the laffs, who are his wingers?
- neem55

Who would his wingers be here? imo not much better than what he has now.

I would rather use the money on Kadri somewhere else.
- VANTEL

ya having to resign him is a big one, I agree. It might put more pressure on JB to buyout burrows and and trade miller and Vrbata though